People were bitching and moaning twenty years ago about midichlorians, a one-off throw away line that nobody knows it even exists, outside of huge Star Wars nerds.
As for the racism and sexism, it’s despicable, but nothing new. The “new” thing is the internet giving a place and validation to all those deranged individuals, who share controversial takes and create circlejerks and echo chambers where those controversial opinions are upvoted.
People were bitching and moaning twenty years ago about midichlorians, a one-off throw away line that nobody knows it even exists, outside of huge Star Wars nerds
That’s fully true, and I guess it just exposes my oldness, more than anything else. I still have the prequels in the “new shit that just came out, last Thursday” category, in my head. But yeah, that was literally twenty fucking years ago.
Modified theory: I still think nerds used to be a little more “I know oh-so-much more about this media than you ever will” and a little less “I’m eternally uncomfortable about the changes being made to my media.” Lucas came along and started tinkering with his own franchise, in a way that had not been very common, in past eras.
People were used to movies and shows being remade, and arguing about the merits of the original, versus the new shit. They were used to adaptations from books and comics often being disappointing. They were used to SEQUELS coming along and bringing new ideas. Ideas that sometimes even included some retcons, which would technically reach back and change some of the sacred original canon.
But Lucas made prequels very fashionable. AND he wasn’t very careful with what he changed, and how he changed it. And he didn’t listen to all the people telling him “hey, Jar Jar is annoying,” and “hey, these Galactic Senate scenes are cringe,” and “yo, we don’t need to know about how the Force works, on a cellular-biology level.” He just did what he wanted, in an entirely selfish, fart-sniffing way.
And that became the TEMPLATE for a lot of prequel media, up to the present day. I think film and TV producers started semi-deliberately antagonizing the oldschool fanbases, because it drives engagement.
That’s no excuse for people to act like fucking morons, but I do think that we, the nerds, are being consciously manipulated, to draw out the most inflammatory responses, from the worst of us.
Dude, you literally say at the start of your comment that:
nerds used to be a little more “I know oh-so-much more about this media than you ever will” and a little less “I’m eternally uncomfortable about the changes being made to my media.”
You then proceed to call a movie director “selfish” and “fart-sniffing” for telling the story the way he wanted to tell it. You’ve got to admit the irony in all this.
Also, it’s true that big companies are following trends and fostering memes to drive engagement, but I very much doubt that they are willingly antagonizing their own fan bases to drive negative engagement. That sounds like a nightmare that no social media manager would purposely walk into. Nobody is willingly stirring the pot by making people theorize conspiracy theories about a secret leftist agenda. That’s just humanity for you. Some are good people, a lot suck.
The entities that are willfully stirring the pot are social media platforms, who have a lot more to gain by having those people scream at one another in their feeds, because controversial takes can populate comment sections more and faster than mild takes, which drive engagement on those social platforms even further.
I never really intended it to be a generation complaint. Note that, in the meme itself, I didn’t say “old nerds” on the top and “young nerds” on the bottom. I said “nerds back in my day” and “nerds in the current era.”
A LOT OF THE NERDS ACTING LIKE SHIT-FOR-BRAINS MANIACS ARE TOTALLY THE SAME NERDS WHO USED TO ACT BETTER, BACK IN THE DAY.
It’s a mixture of oldheads who went insane and new nerds who went insane more quickly.
I just think the pointless debates were a little less annoying, when they were at least done from a position of “haha, I’m so smart,” as opposed to throwing tantrums.
I think part of it is how social media has allowed us to put so much pressure on producers, writers, showrunners, etc, to deliver “explanations” for stuff that they’re doing.
Back in the day, you’d have to write a physical letter, stick it in the mailbox, and hope someone at the studio wouldn’t just throw it directly in the trash, before it could even get to the producers you were angry at. So the nerds just talked amongst themselves, knowing it would be pointless to engage in letter-writing campaigns.
But now, we collectively abuse our power, brigading media creators for the slightest little thing that we might dislike.
Where do you see all this behavior that you don’t like? Maybe you need to remove yourself from these crowds you hate so much. If everyone else is the asshole, maybe you’re the asshole, etc. Just leave any community you don’t enjoy, period.
I don’t see any kind of the BS that you mention. I talk to sensible people of my own choosing about things I want to talk to them about. You should try that, I suppose. 🤷♂️ Best of luck to you. 👍
You have to be trolling. This shit is E V E R Y W H E R E.
If nobody was screeching and wailing like I’m talking about, then why did Todd Howard have to come out and do a goddamned press conference, explaining that the plot of Fallout: New Vegas hadn’t been retconned out of existence?
Have you stopped to think why it affects you so much, that people care so much about lore?
I am not trolling. It just seems like this bothers you a lot, so I figured I’d just give some tips on how I’d handle it. 🤷♂️ Take it or leave it, I guess.
You’re missing the point, on several different levels.
First of all, note that both the nerds in my meme care about lore. Both of them are depicted as having extensive knowledge of the lore, from whatever media they’re talking about. And both of them care about it. The first one, in my opinion the more “traditional” nerd, deals with a potential change in lore by obsessively cataloguing and analyzing the situation. He will likely assume that it’s a mistake that’s been made, and that the fans of the media actually know more about the lore than the writers, themselves.
Sure, that type of nerd isn’t immune to ALL emotionalism, about such changes in lore…but his main concern is maintaining his obsessive catalog of knowledge, then using that armament to win arguments with whoever will listen. If he thinks the changes are bad, he will usually be happy enough to just have that as another thing he can be correct about.
The SECOND type of nerd is a ball of insecure, fragile, cringe-tastic emotion. If the writers make a change to the fictional universe he’s become attached to, he lacks the ability to say “meh. I’ll just ignore that. Maybe it means I don’t really care for this latest iteration of the series, or this TV adaptation. I’ll just hope they do better next time.”
They can’t do that. They melt down and freak out. It’s unseemly, to say the least.
And the thing is, these guys are so loud and obnoxious (and even SCARY) that they’re starting to have an increasing ability to affect the media that I care about. I’m a nerd, too. Keep that in mind. I don’t like seeing my people act like shitheads, and I don’t like the hobbies I enjoy being threatened by whining freaks.
his main concern is maintaining his obsessive catalog of knowledge, then using that armament to win arguments with whoever will listen. If he thinks the changes are bad, he will usually be happy enough to just have that as another thing he can be correct about.
The SECOND type of nerd is a ball of insecure, fragile, cringe-tastic emotion. If the writers make a change to the fictional universe he’s become attached to, he lacks the ability to say “meh. I’ll just ignore that. Maybe it means I don’t really care for this latest iteration of the series, or this TV adaptation. I’ll just hope they do better next time.”
Both of these types of nerd sound insufferable in their own way, in my opinion, to be absolutely frank with you.
Yeah. I agree. Nobody should aspire to be either one of those fucking assholes.
But the new variety is much more likely to ruin stuff. Like I’ve mentioned, there is evidence that producers and/or writers are responding to them. When the oldschool nerd acted smug and sarcastic, nobody paid any attention to his stupid ass. Everyone just went “man, that guy takes fandom waaaaay too seriously” and totally ignored the dipshit.
So, ya know, I prefer that version. The one that doesn’t wreck up the place.
Nothing for me, yet…but I am very disturbed by how quickly this Fallout situation has moved. That’s what prompted me to finally make this meme, even though I’d thought about it several times before.
The thing is, the show is obviously very high quality. I’ve only seen the first episode, but it really hit all the marks as a great show, already. I’m not the most hardcore Fallout fan, but I’ve played Fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4. And the VR version of 4. And a bit of Fallout 76. And a little bit of Brotherhood of Steel, which everyone hated for good reasons.
I haven’t been spoiled for it, so I don’t know if this error in the timeline, continuity problem, plot hole (or whatever) is something that came up in the first episode (and I didn’t even notice it) or if it comes up later in the show.
The point is, the show is good, which is a VERY RARE FEAT, within the video-game-to-scripted-screen-adaptation world. But instead of appreciating the overall good quality, these people started pitching a fit about timelines and canon issues. That still wouldn’t have bothered me…but then came the VERY PROMPT response, from Todd Howard.
I am very disturbed by how quickly he was shoved out in front of a camera, to beg everyone’s pardon. “No, no, no, you’re right. New Vegas is still canon. Don’t worry.”
You realize what this means, don’t you? The MONEY PEOPLE frantically texted Todd Motherfucking Howard, and directed him to make that response. In other words, these turbo-whiners basically have a seat in the writing room, for Season 2 of this show.
Instead of writing what they want to write, instead of making decisions on their terms, they will have to make every future episode of the show with the knowledge that their bosses are now watching closely to see if the lore-freaks have been antagonized, once again.
They have to write CAREFULLY, so as to make sure they don’t make any further “mistakes” or “errors” or “retcons” or whatever it was. Writing carefully is not writing creatively.
Nerds have always known the lore better than the writers. Up until now, they have been ignored. But now, as I said, they have a seat at the table. A world in which they are constantly pandered to is a world where writing gets shittier and shittier, every season.
I predict that Season 2 of the Fallout show will be markedly lower quality, because the writers will be incentivized to merely provide a scrupulously, obsessively “faithful” lore documentary, rather than a real, creatively driven, dynamic plot.
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People were bitching and moaning twenty years ago about midichlorians, a one-off throw away line that nobody knows it even exists, outside of huge Star Wars nerds.
As for the racism and sexism, it’s despicable, but nothing new. The “new” thing is the internet giving a place and validation to all those deranged individuals, who share controversial takes and create circlejerks and echo chambers where those controversial opinions are upvoted.
That’s fully true, and I guess it just exposes my oldness, more than anything else. I still have the prequels in the “new shit that just came out, last Thursday” category, in my head. But yeah, that was literally twenty fucking years ago.
Modified theory: I still think nerds used to be a little more “I know oh-so-much more about this media than you ever will” and a little less “I’m eternally uncomfortable about the changes being made to my media.” Lucas came along and started tinkering with his own franchise, in a way that had not been very common, in past eras.
People were used to movies and shows being remade, and arguing about the merits of the original, versus the new shit. They were used to adaptations from books and comics often being disappointing. They were used to SEQUELS coming along and bringing new ideas. Ideas that sometimes even included some retcons, which would technically reach back and change some of the sacred original canon.
But Lucas made prequels very fashionable. AND he wasn’t very careful with what he changed, and how he changed it. And he didn’t listen to all the people telling him “hey, Jar Jar is annoying,” and “hey, these Galactic Senate scenes are cringe,” and “yo, we don’t need to know about how the Force works, on a cellular-biology level.” He just did what he wanted, in an entirely selfish, fart-sniffing way.
And that became the TEMPLATE for a lot of prequel media, up to the present day. I think film and TV producers started semi-deliberately antagonizing the oldschool fanbases, because it drives engagement.
That’s no excuse for people to act like fucking morons, but I do think that we, the nerds, are being consciously manipulated, to draw out the most inflammatory responses, from the worst of us.
Dude, you literally say at the start of your comment that:
You then proceed to call a movie director “selfish” and “fart-sniffing” for telling the story the way he wanted to tell it. You’ve got to admit the irony in all this.
Also, it’s true that big companies are following trends and fostering memes to drive engagement, but I very much doubt that they are willingly antagonizing their own fan bases to drive negative engagement. That sounds like a nightmare that no social media manager would purposely walk into. Nobody is willingly stirring the pot by making people theorize conspiracy theories about a secret leftist agenda. That’s just humanity for you. Some are good people, a lot suck.
The entities that are willfully stirring the pot are social media platforms, who have a lot more to gain by having those people scream at one another in their feeds, because controversial takes can populate comment sections more and faster than mild takes, which drive engagement on those social platforms even further.
I don’t like your dumbarse “my generation were great, the young generation are bad” mentality.
It’s rose tinted bullshit, and you’ve reached it by ignoring decades of pointless nerd debates.
The only cringe behaviour I see is yours.
I never really intended it to be a generation complaint. Note that, in the meme itself, I didn’t say “old nerds” on the top and “young nerds” on the bottom. I said “nerds back in my day” and “nerds in the current era.”
A LOT OF THE NERDS ACTING LIKE SHIT-FOR-BRAINS MANIACS ARE TOTALLY THE SAME NERDS WHO USED TO ACT BETTER, BACK IN THE DAY.
It’s a mixture of oldheads who went insane and new nerds who went insane more quickly.
I just think the pointless debates were a little less annoying, when they were at least done from a position of “haha, I’m so smart,” as opposed to throwing tantrums.
I think part of it is how social media has allowed us to put so much pressure on producers, writers, showrunners, etc, to deliver “explanations” for stuff that they’re doing.
Back in the day, you’d have to write a physical letter, stick it in the mailbox, and hope someone at the studio wouldn’t just throw it directly in the trash, before it could even get to the producers you were angry at. So the nerds just talked amongst themselves, knowing it would be pointless to engage in letter-writing campaigns.
But now, we collectively abuse our power, brigading media creators for the slightest little thing that we might dislike.
Username does not check out…
This person looked in the mirror this morning and thought to themselves “THEY are the problem!!”
Nerds are not more racist, sexist, or intolerant now than twenty years ago
Now you just see the morons on discussion forums which let you interact with people who you would have never talked to in real life
Yeah there was a whole issue when games stopped giving stat impacts based on character gender
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Hmm… are you the person in the comic? Is this new canon?
Where do you see all this behavior that you don’t like? Maybe you need to remove yourself from these crowds you hate so much. If everyone else is the asshole, maybe you’re the asshole, etc. Just leave any community you don’t enjoy, period.
I don’t see any kind of the BS that you mention. I talk to sensible people of my own choosing about things I want to talk to them about. You should try that, I suppose. 🤷♂️ Best of luck to you. 👍
You have to be trolling. This shit is E V E R Y W H E R E.
If nobody was screeching and wailing like I’m talking about, then why did Todd Howard have to come out and do a goddamned press conference, explaining that the plot of Fallout: New Vegas hadn’t been retconned out of existence?
That pressure didn’t come from nowhere.
Have you stopped to think why it affects you so much, that people care so much about lore?
I am not trolling. It just seems like this bothers you a lot, so I figured I’d just give some tips on how I’d handle it. 🤷♂️ Take it or leave it, I guess.
You’re missing the point, on several different levels.
First of all, note that both the nerds in my meme care about lore. Both of them are depicted as having extensive knowledge of the lore, from whatever media they’re talking about. And both of them care about it. The first one, in my opinion the more “traditional” nerd, deals with a potential change in lore by obsessively cataloguing and analyzing the situation. He will likely assume that it’s a mistake that’s been made, and that the fans of the media actually know more about the lore than the writers, themselves.
Sure, that type of nerd isn’t immune to ALL emotionalism, about such changes in lore…but his main concern is maintaining his obsessive catalog of knowledge, then using that armament to win arguments with whoever will listen. If he thinks the changes are bad, he will usually be happy enough to just have that as another thing he can be correct about.
The SECOND type of nerd is a ball of insecure, fragile, cringe-tastic emotion. If the writers make a change to the fictional universe he’s become attached to, he lacks the ability to say “meh. I’ll just ignore that. Maybe it means I don’t really care for this latest iteration of the series, or this TV adaptation. I’ll just hope they do better next time.”
They can’t do that. They melt down and freak out. It’s unseemly, to say the least.
And the thing is, these guys are so loud and obnoxious (and even SCARY) that they’re starting to have an increasing ability to affect the media that I care about. I’m a nerd, too. Keep that in mind. I don’t like seeing my people act like shitheads, and I don’t like the hobbies I enjoy being threatened by whining freaks.
Both of these types of nerd sound insufferable in their own way, in my opinion, to be absolutely frank with you.
Yeah. I agree. Nobody should aspire to be either one of those fucking assholes.
But the new variety is much more likely to ruin stuff. Like I’ve mentioned, there is evidence that producers and/or writers are responding to them. When the oldschool nerd acted smug and sarcastic, nobody paid any attention to his stupid ass. Everyone just went “man, that guy takes fandom waaaaay too seriously” and totally ignored the dipshit.
So, ya know, I prefer that version. The one that doesn’t wreck up the place.
I do get what you’re saying. Can’t help but agree, if this is the case.
Out of curiosity, do you have any examples of stuff you watch that was ruined?
Nothing for me, yet…but I am very disturbed by how quickly this Fallout situation has moved. That’s what prompted me to finally make this meme, even though I’d thought about it several times before.
The thing is, the show is obviously very high quality. I’ve only seen the first episode, but it really hit all the marks as a great show, already. I’m not the most hardcore Fallout fan, but I’ve played Fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4. And the VR version of 4. And a bit of Fallout 76. And a little bit of Brotherhood of Steel, which everyone hated for good reasons.
I haven’t been spoiled for it, so I don’t know if this error in the timeline, continuity problem, plot hole (or whatever) is something that came up in the first episode (and I didn’t even notice it) or if it comes up later in the show.
The point is, the show is good, which is a VERY RARE FEAT, within the video-game-to-scripted-screen-adaptation world. But instead of appreciating the overall good quality, these people started pitching a fit about timelines and canon issues. That still wouldn’t have bothered me…but then came the VERY PROMPT response, from Todd Howard.
I am very disturbed by how quickly he was shoved out in front of a camera, to beg everyone’s pardon. “No, no, no, you’re right. New Vegas is still canon. Don’t worry.”
You realize what this means, don’t you? The MONEY PEOPLE frantically texted Todd Motherfucking Howard, and directed him to make that response. In other words, these turbo-whiners basically have a seat in the writing room, for Season 2 of this show.
Instead of writing what they want to write, instead of making decisions on their terms, they will have to make every future episode of the show with the knowledge that their bosses are now watching closely to see if the lore-freaks have been antagonized, once again.
They have to write CAREFULLY, so as to make sure they don’t make any further “mistakes” or “errors” or “retcons” or whatever it was. Writing carefully is not writing creatively.
Nerds have always known the lore better than the writers. Up until now, they have been ignored. But now, as I said, they have a seat at the table. A world in which they are constantly pandered to is a world where writing gets shittier and shittier, every season.
I predict that Season 2 of the Fallout show will be markedly lower quality, because the writers will be incentivized to merely provide a scrupulously, obsessively “faithful” lore documentary, rather than a real, creatively driven, dynamic plot.