James Carville teed off on young voters who are considering not casting a ballot for Joe Biden on Sunday, telling them to "get off your motherf*cking ass."
One of the two is going to win the election. It’s not like if you sit it out, nobody wins. At this point, all you can influence is which one. Trump is a far worse option in pretty much every category.
The state of the country for the next 4 years if the GOP gets in this year
The state of the country forever if the dems aren’t held accountable
The fact that the dems are willing to play chicken with the entire country and would rather see it fall into the hands of MAGA than let go of their precious genocide says a whole lot about their motivation.
If that faction of the party is allowed to prevail, there won’t be any point. They need to learn their lesson, fast. They can either cooperate now, or get their ass thrown out of power in november. Their choice.
I think you’re misguided if you think Trump’s damage would be limited to four years. How many years of damage will we suffer just from his current three supreme court pics?
Plus, you make it sound like Biden could wave a wand and change everything in Gaza. He is applying pressure, but the situation is more complicated than you imply.
It’s really simple: demonstrate that he has some kind of moral principles. Some atrocity he refuses to countenance, some red line he will not cross. Some point at which he’ll say “you know what, no, we’re not going to be part of this, we’re out.”
It might not stop them, but it would show he wasn’t an actual monster.
Yes – which is why people in-the-know who are training neural nets periodically get frustrated and say “You know what, this thing’s not producing the results I want, it did something really wrong as a matter of fact. Fuck it, I’m going to stop applying a gradient in the direction of better results, until it gets its act together.”
Oh and also the neural net is physically in charge of all of our lives in this example
Except in this case we have 40+ years showing us that not only is the neural net design not working, it is making things worse and worse because the premise on which it operates is fundementally flawed and will never result in what it needs to.
There is no “gradient in the direction of better results” with the democratic establishment, how the hell do people not see that by now?
What about the context we’re in right now says that the lesser of two evils has been working? That it will ever produce anything that pushes the country back towards the center?
I can give you a bunch of examples of Biden pushing domestic economics and climate change policy real real firmly back towards the center. But, on the broader point about the Democrats in general I actually agree with you. If anything I said sounded like “Let’s stop working to make the Democrats better or else find a replacement,” it wasn’t intentional on my part. Both of those sound like great things to do. (And fixing FPTP to avoid this situation in general in the future)
In the meantime, I do think that voting for the non-apocalypse, and choosing the outcome of “needs some improvement and really should be replaced” over “will definitely try to end the world,” are good things to do.
It’s like if the neural net runs the life support on the spaceship, and it’s clearly not doing a good job and we desperately need to find a better solution, and so one guy says hey it’s been so long of this that let’s just turn off the life support, what’s the worst that could happen.
If someone can be an evil piece of shit and still win elections, what’s their incentive to not be an evil piece of shit?
One of the two is going to win the election. It’s not like if you sit it out, nobody wins. At this point, all you can influence is which one. Trump is a far worse option in pretty much every category.
There’s two conflicting metrics:
The fact that the dems are willing to play chicken with the entire country and would rather see it fall into the hands of MAGA than let go of their precious genocide says a whole lot about their motivation.
If that faction of the party is allowed to prevail, there won’t be any point. They need to learn their lesson, fast. They can either cooperate now, or get their ass thrown out of power in november. Their choice.
I think you’re misguided if you think Trump’s damage would be limited to four years. How many years of damage will we suffer just from his current three supreme court pics?
Plus, you make it sound like Biden could wave a wand and change everything in Gaza. He is applying pressure, but the situation is more complicated than you imply.
It’s really simple: demonstrate that he has some kind of moral principles. Some atrocity he refuses to countenance, some red line he will not cross. Some point at which he’ll say “you know what, no, we’re not going to be part of this, we’re out.”
It might not stop them, but it would show he wasn’t an actual monster.
Which is a pretty low fucking bar, tbh.
Yes – which is why people in-the-know who are training neural nets periodically get frustrated and say “You know what, this thing’s not producing the results I want, it did something really wrong as a matter of fact. Fuck it, I’m going to stop applying a gradient in the direction of better results, until it gets its act together.”
Oh and also the neural net is physically in charge of all of our lives in this example
Except in this case we have 40+ years showing us that not only is the neural net design not working, it is making things worse and worse because the premise on which it operates is fundementally flawed and will never result in what it needs to.
There is no “gradient in the direction of better results” with the democratic establishment, how the hell do people not see that by now?
What about the context we’re in right now says that the lesser of two evils has been working? That it will ever produce anything that pushes the country back towards the center?
I can give you a bunch of examples of Biden pushing domestic economics and climate change policy real real firmly back towards the center. But, on the broader point about the Democrats in general I actually agree with you. If anything I said sounded like “Let’s stop working to make the Democrats better or else find a replacement,” it wasn’t intentional on my part. Both of those sound like great things to do. (And fixing FPTP to avoid this situation in general in the future)
In the meantime, I do think that voting for the non-apocalypse, and choosing the outcome of “needs some improvement and really should be replaced” over “will definitely try to end the world,” are good things to do.
It’s like if the neural net runs the life support on the spaceship, and it’s clearly not doing a good job and we desperately need to find a better solution, and so one guy says hey it’s been so long of this that let’s just turn off the life support, what’s the worst that could happen.