Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

    • @[email protected]
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      77 months ago

      I’m not saying it’s a bad decision given the situation. I’m saying the situation is dog shit and perhaps will come back to bite us in the ass when “slightly less death!” isn’t the biggest motivation to get out and vote.

      I would be more sympathetic to your point if Biden couldn’t stop supporting this immediately with relative ease. Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats. It’s not like it would hurt his election chances. It’s not like the protests this has inspired are a good look anyway.

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          7 months ago

          More recent poll:

          https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

          Overall 55% disapprove of Israel’s actions and only 36% approve, plus

          Democrats, who were already largely opposed in November, are even more so now, with 18% approving and 75% disapproving.

          And

          Biden’s approval rating for his handling of the situation in the Middle East, at 27%, is his lowest among five issues tested in the survey.

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              47 months ago

              I would stress that my original point about this polling was

              Most voters are against what Israel is doing and especially democrats.

              Which is true, as per the most recent poll.

              63% of Democrats in November disapproved of Israel’s military action, yet, in December, 58% of Democrats still believed that US support for Israel was either appropriate or not enough

              But yeah good point. People are fucking stupid.

              But if your argument is that this is an easy win for Biden that he’s just not taking, I don’t think the evidence backs that up, as much as I wish it did.

              I think opinion has clearly shifted, as shown by the declining support for Israel’s military action. Even the poll I cited is now months old. So it’s likely less support funding them now. But yeah we don’t know that so kind of a moot point.

              But what is true is that people don’t like Biden’s handling of this issue (shown by polling), that people don’t like what Israel is doing (polling) and that supporting genocide is bad (hopefully common sense).

              So I don’t know. Maybe condition aid on not committing fucking war crimes? I think in any case it’s clear voters are not happy about Israel’s actions and Biden’s support for it obviously makes it more difficult for people to support him. If we insist in sticking with the polling and not necessarily morals, he should at least be clear in his condemnation of what they are doing.

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                  47 months ago

                  It’s complicated for sure. I never thought it would get this far either.

                  I mean, I absolutely am in favor of Biden cutting off aid, at least conditionally (though honestly I’d be ecstatic if it was unconditional and permanent, fuck Israel). If it’s a lose-lose situation, one should go with the more moral loss. I just also recognize that it’s not a cut-and-dry strategic decision.

                  Agreed! I think conditionally cutting is best, make it clear you don’t support war crimes and genocide while still having cover - “the funding is available, we just insist that international law is followed.”

          • Frog-Brawler
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            67 months ago

            Lmao… how did you infer that out of referencing Gallup poll results? Genuinely curious…