Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.

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    Voting for Biden is supporting him, yes. Sitting here arguing that people should vote for him is supporting him. You are a Biden supporter.

    Tell me, logically, what would convince democrats to stop supporting genocide?

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      Again, voting for Biden is not supporting him. I’ll acknowledge that he is one of two shitty options, but my brain works well enough to recognize that in a two party system, we’re not going to have more than two options. That’s just math.

      My memory works well enough to remember the Trump regime and its lasting impacts on our country. Not voting for Biden is an endorsement for further rollbacks to bodily autonomy, a greater division in wealth, the privatization of public services, religious indoctrination in schools, AND the continued genocide of Palestinians.

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        There are three options, not two.

        It honestly still sounds like cope to me. You’re voting for Biden and the Biden agenda, but somehow think that declaring that you are not supporting him absolves you of enabling him. Take ownership of your actions.

        You’re not being honest with yourself because you like to believe you’re a moral person, but it turns out you are willing to cache in your morals out of fear. Which I guess tracks, cowardice and will lead to cowardly actions.

        Tell yourself what you need to in order to sleep at night, but your unwillingness to truly resist is why the country continues on the track it has been on, why Democrats keep following the GOP to the right.

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          The third option being doing nothing at all? Is that the third option or are you going to inform me of a new way to do electoral math?

          I am voting for Biden as a vote against Trump. I do not support Biden; I abhor Trump. I am not really sure why this is difficult to process for you.

          You keep mentioning morals after I already told you that my decision is not one based in morals; it’s based in logic. Keep schilling for the right and you too will no longer need to worry about voting at all.

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            I am voting for Biden as a vote against Trump

            And I’m voting Uncommitted against Trump as well as zionism and genocide being tolerated in the Democratic party.

            You might be ok with Dems being complicit in genocide, I am not and my action reflects that. It doesn’t take a whole lot to get my vote back, just don’t fund genocide. Easy, right?

            You keep mentioning morals after I already told you that my decision is not one based in morals; it’s based in logic.

            And I repeat the question you side-stepped; logically, how would one discourage Democrats from supporting genocide? Remember now, I’m not talking about Republicans, I know that they’re difficult to distinguish these days but I’m asking about Democrats. How, logically, does one stop Democrats from funding genocide and accepting AIPAC money?

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              In my state, we’re not even having a primary. Again, tell me more about how to do the electoral math.

              And I repeat the question you side-stepped; logically, how would one discourage Democrats ftom supporting genocide? Remember now, I’m not talking about Republicans, I know that they’re difficult to distinguish these days but I’m asking about Democrats. How, logically, does one stop Democrats from funding genocide and accepting AIPAC money?

              Show up to the meetings in your county. Get the phone numbers of the local party leaders that you can actually speak with. Engage with them. Tell them what they need to support. I’m tired of being the youngest person in the room as a 40 year old, it doesn’t bode well. All politics is local.

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                Contact my representatives. Ok. And when they say “Nah, we like supporting genocide and taking AIPAC money, we’re going to keep doing that” what then?

                • Frog-Brawler
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                  52 months ago

                  Wow… ok…

                  1.) I did not say to contact your representatives. I said to get in touch with your local party leaders. That means the people running the either weekly or monthly meetings that happen in your county. Depending on where you live, that might be your neighbor, or it might be someone down the street, but either way; it’s going to be someone that you have a possible chance of encountering at a store in your area.

                  2.) Based on how you responded, I can infer that you haven’t tried contacting your representatives either. So tell me again… what have you tried other than just doing nothing?

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                    Ok, so the party leaders and representatives and your local city council or whoever else say "Nah, we like supporting genocide and taking AIPAC money, we’re going to keep doing that” what then?

                    What’s the next step, logically, if those in power aren’t listening or interested in changing their behavior?