oh so there isn’t a genocide? the United States doesn’t have one of the most proportionally incarcerated populations in the world? our police didn’t drive a tank to a college campus?
So here is a Trump quote about from a few days ago about Israels war on Hamas:
They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.
So he actually wants Israel to speed up it’s military operation and win.
As you can see, the US foreign policy position on Israel has absolutly nothing to do with with party or president. In fact, Trump is arguably more pro-Israel. He was also the one that moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, which was a big diplomatic “fuck you” for Palestinians.
the United States doesn’t have one of the most proportionally incarcerated populations in the world? our police didn’t drive a tank to a college campus?
Both of these have been true for decades and have nothing to do with Biden, just stupid whataboutism.
it’s almost as if I am not trying to win clever points lmao
hey! you can take your disingenuous ass out of this conversation though because if you can’t think of an option other than voting Biden, trump, or not at all, then you’re either lying or you’re so uneducated that you wouldn’t be able to understand the conversation anyway
Teach democratic leadership that the progressive vote is fairweather at best and that efforts are better spent courting centrist independents who actually show up and vote without having to be beaten over the head with a rhetorical crowbar to convince them to do literally the bare minimum civic duty.
The point is that they don’t have to be convinced to show up at all, just that they have to be convinced to vote for you specifically.
Some folks in this discussion think that not even being that reliable is some sort of virtue that sends a positive message about their attractiveness as a campaignable demographic.
Where are you getting this information that centrists have higher voter turnout than leftists?
Centrists/swing-voters are definitely not reliable voters for Dems and I don’t know that it’s true that they have high voter turnout overall, yet they are still the focus of Dem campaigns.
Dems think they don’t have to appeal to leftist voters because they think of them as a reliable base. The unreliability of centrists is what makes them a target for campaigning.
As opposed to the loyal centrist vote that checks notes formed a fucking PAC to elect John McCain the last time the party didn’t give them everything they wanted.
oh so there isn’t a genocide? the United States doesn’t have one of the most proportionally incarcerated populations in the world? our police didn’t drive a tank to a college campus?
So here is a Trump quote about from a few days ago about Israels war on Hamas:
So he actually wants Israel to speed up it’s military operation and win.
As you can see, the US foreign policy position on Israel has absolutly nothing to do with with party or president. In fact, Trump is arguably more pro-Israel. He was also the one that moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, which was a big diplomatic “fuck you” for Palestinians.
Both of these have been true for decades and have nothing to do with Biden, just stupid whataboutism.
huh weird almost as if we keep voting in centrist Democrats
Yes. But I’m not sure why that is so weird. A progressive candiate would just lose so what’s the point?
Show the Democrats that they don’t earn the left vote automatically, they have to earn it.
By doing what? Punching yourself in the face by not voting or voting for Trump? I’m not sure that’ll show them … or do anything good.
hm weird it’s almost as if there are other options that you’re pretending people haven’t been advocating for for months
This phrasing really doesn’t sound that clever after using 3 times.
Not quite sure what these other options are supposed to be, though I’m just an outsider looking in, so please enlighten me.
it’s almost as if I am not trying to win clever points lmao
hey! you can take your disingenuous ass out of this conversation though because if you can’t think of an option other than voting Biden, trump, or not at all, then you’re either lying or you’re so uneducated that you wouldn’t be able to understand the conversation anyway
FTFY
Um the Centrist Vote has already been historically fairweather lmao that’s like the definition of them
The point is that they don’t have to be convinced to show up at all, just that they have to be convinced to vote for you specifically.
Some folks in this discussion think that not even being that reliable is some sort of virtue that sends a positive message about their attractiveness as a campaignable demographic.
Where are you getting this information that centrists have higher voter turnout than leftists?
Centrists/swing-voters are definitely not reliable voters for Dems and I don’t know that it’s true that they have high voter turnout overall, yet they are still the focus of Dem campaigns.
Dems think they don’t have to appeal to leftist voters because they think of them as a reliable base. The unreliability of centrists is what makes them a target for campaigning.
As opposed to the loyal centrist vote that checks notes formed a fucking PAC to elect John McCain the last time the party didn’t give them everything they wanted.
See my history for details. It isnt fascism.