Despite me very explicitly and clearly saying that companies have the lions share of the responsibility, you claimed my argument, that we all have some responsibility and we should change our individual actions, was claiming it’s a “panacea.” You were the one who made up something that wasn’t there.
I also know that my local shop is moving into a bigger space and has talked about possibly even opening a second shop. I’ve also turned friends into their products and they still shop there. Just just like companies can spread their influence by changing, so can individuals. So your claim that it’s “infinitesimal” starts to fall apart if you actually apply your own logic to yourself.
You need to convince yourself that your actions have no affect, because it’s the only way to say you care while doing nothing. It’s how you cope with that cognitive dissonance: pretend it isn’t there.
You’re really recognizing the fault of your own position here, it’s just the opposite of the Tinkerbell effect, where if you pretend it isn’t there, it’s not.
And you’re trying to argue that i didn’t say this.
I’m pointing to all the instances in which you contradict yourself.
And that’s been the name of this game since forever. The bait and switch of “Everyone needs to pitch in!” and “Its all on your shoulders, we can’t afford to do anything more”.
Nah, just ignorance and endless dishonesty.
Businesses screaming “Stop me before I kill again!” and blaming everyone else for the new pile of bodies.
I’m pointing to all the instances in which you contradict yourself.
None of those contradicts that. Is this going to be the pattern? Just throwing dishonesty upon lies instead of just admitting you were wrong?
The bait and switch of “Everyone needs to pitch in!” and “Its all on your shoulders, we can’t afford to do anything more”.
No one here is baiting and switching anything. This is a desperate strawman.
Businesses screaming “Stop me before I kill again!” and blaming everyone else for the new pile of bodies.
This is funny. Using this context, your argument is “well businesses kill a lot more people than I do, so the few bodies i’m racking up I’m not responsible for.” It’s you blaming businesses for the bodies you’re needlessly piling up.
Im pointing at all of our piles and saying “look, you can actually make an effort to decrease yours while we fight to decrease theirs.” You’re arguing that your pile does not count because it’s small.
m pointing at all of our piles and saying “look, you can actually make an effort to decrease yours
This has no impact on a problem at the scale of industry.
If we were talking about picking up litter at the park, sure. But when we’re discussing the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, there is no solution that isn’t systematic.
You’re arguing that your pile does not count
It functionally does not. I can’t pollute at the scale necessary for anyone to notice, individually.
And zeroing my pollution out does nothing to mitigate the problem.
Even at the scale of city blocks - hundreds of people - there’s no impact.
You’re effectively arguing that there is no point in picking up your litter at the park because there is a pacific garbage patch…and man the garbage can is all the way on the other side! It’s like a full time job to throw away my litter! Me throwing away my litter is so tiny in the grand scheme of things, so it’s not my fault if I just toss it on the ground.
We both agree major changes need to happen. But every time you leave your litter out, you’re contributing to the problem as well and shoulder some responsibility. It’s not like throwing out your litter precludes you from pushing for systemic changes. It’s just something you can do, right now, to minimize your contribution to it.
And buying from places like I suggest is even more useful because it helps them thrive and spread. While I don’t see how throwing away your litter really helps it spread.
Despite me very explicitly and clearly saying that companies have the lions share of the responsibility, you claimed my argument, that we all have some responsibility and we should change our individual actions, was claiming it’s a “panacea.” You were the one who made up something that wasn’t there.
I also know that my local shop is moving into a bigger space and has talked about possibly even opening a second shop. I’ve also turned friends into their products and they still shop there. Just just like companies can spread their influence by changing, so can individuals. So your claim that it’s “infinitesimal” starts to fall apart if you actually apply your own logic to yourself.
You need to convince yourself that your actions have no affect, because it’s the only way to say you care while doing nothing. It’s how you cope with that cognitive dissonance: pretend it isn’t there.
You’re really recognizing the fault of your own position here, it’s just the opposite of the Tinkerbell effect, where if you pretend it isn’t there, it’s not.
Uh huh.
Damn this accumulated body of evidence and understanding of causality. If only I had been blessed with sweet ignorance and endless optimism.
And you’re trying to argue that i didn’t say this.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people will turn to outright lying in order to avoid admitting that they might be wrong.
Nah, just ignorance and endless dishonesty.
I’m pointing to all the instances in which you contradict yourself.
And that’s been the name of this game since forever. The bait and switch of “Everyone needs to pitch in!” and “Its all on your shoulders, we can’t afford to do anything more”.
Businesses screaming “Stop me before I kill again!” and blaming everyone else for the new pile of bodies.
None of those contradicts that. Is this going to be the pattern? Just throwing dishonesty upon lies instead of just admitting you were wrong?
No one here is baiting and switching anything. This is a desperate strawman.
This is funny. Using this context, your argument is “well businesses kill a lot more people than I do, so the few bodies i’m racking up I’m not responsible for.” It’s you blaming businesses for the bodies you’re needlessly piling up.
Im pointing at all of our piles and saying “look, you can actually make an effort to decrease yours while we fight to decrease theirs.” You’re arguing that your pile does not count because it’s small.
This has no impact on a problem at the scale of industry.
If we were talking about picking up litter at the park, sure. But when we’re discussing the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, there is no solution that isn’t systematic.
It functionally does not. I can’t pollute at the scale necessary for anyone to notice, individually.
And zeroing my pollution out does nothing to mitigate the problem.
Even at the scale of city blocks - hundreds of people - there’s no impact.
The only solution is systematic.
You’re making my argument for me.
You’re effectively arguing that there is no point in picking up your litter at the park because there is a pacific garbage patch…and man the garbage can is all the way on the other side! It’s like a full time job to throw away my litter! Me throwing away my litter is so tiny in the grand scheme of things, so it’s not my fault if I just toss it on the ground.
We both agree major changes need to happen. But every time you leave your litter out, you’re contributing to the problem as well and shoulder some responsibility. It’s not like throwing out your litter precludes you from pushing for systemic changes. It’s just something you can do, right now, to minimize your contribution to it.
And buying from places like I suggest is even more useful because it helps them thrive and spread. While I don’t see how throwing away your litter really helps it spread.
I said the exact opposite
No you’re main argument is effectively arguing that. Or I should say it’s the equivalent argument.