Cornell West and Jill Stein are proponents of helping the Palestinians, so I imagine one of them.
All the other, mainstream, candidates are vocally pro-Israel. Trump and RFK are more pro-Israel than Biden.
My ultimate hope is that Biden grows a spine on this topic, and draws some rules of engagement for Israel if they wish to receive further aid; however, they seem to have the US govt by the balls somehow.
I really think that he can’t grow a spine on this. I really wish he could. For people that old (like trump) it is difficult to grow out of these old habits. It’s like asking your grand parents to stop calling black people boy cause it’s racist.
They don’t want to understand. Growth is hard. The western world gave Israel a pass for so long because “we didn’t really think the Holocaust was that bad till we got there.” Now they can’t see that Israel grew into a fascist state.
That is why I think we need younger people in charge and it frustrates me about our choice. Still obviously vote for Biden.
It’s more than just that too. Older people vote more than younger people. Younger people are concerned with Palestine, older people are ride or die with Israel. A lot of it has to do with their religion, I’d say most of it really. I hear older democrats all the time mocking the younger people and their protests in support of Palestine.
It’s funny because in a historical context, Jews have been terribly persecuted by Christians.
When I was a kid growing up in an evangelical, Pentecostal movement, we were taught that the Jews were God’s chosen people. We were taught that we had to back Israel no matter what and that the nation who went against Israel would collapse.
Their parents would have been taught something very different regarding Jews in general.
I don’t have a problem with Jews myself, just what the Israeli army is doing right now. I don’t understand why the world has been so unkind to them for so long. I don’t understand how the people of Israel can’t see the parallels between what they’re doing and what happened to them in the 20th century.
I’d say 9/11 and the anti Arab sentiment that grew out of that has something to do with older people being less concerned with the welfare of Palestinians too. I never heard a bad word about Arabs when I was a kid, but after that happened I heard the term “towel head” daily for years. Younger people view that as a historical event and not something that affected their lives directly.
Voting third party sends the wrong message if you’re not voting Biden because of the genocide. Writing in Uncommitted is the most direct way to send that message.
A third party isn’t going to win anyway, so it just muddys the water to vote for a hack like Cornell West or Kennedy.
I disagree. When people could agree on one third party and that party gets 20% of the popular vote, then it is a direct threat to Democrats power basis. Because then for the next election they could replace the Dems. It is crucial to vote a third party, as it forces the Dems to start caring for the people instead of just their Superpac donors.
Serious question for any leftists here who are voting third party - which candidate do you recommend?
PSL or Green
Cornell West and Jill Stein are proponents of helping the Palestinians, so I imagine one of them.
All the other, mainstream, candidates are vocally pro-Israel. Trump and RFK are more pro-Israel than Biden.
My ultimate hope is that Biden grows a spine on this topic, and draws some rules of engagement for Israel if they wish to receive further aid; however, they seem to have the US govt by the balls somehow.
Note: I’m voting Biden.
I really think that he can’t grow a spine on this. I really wish he could. For people that old (like trump) it is difficult to grow out of these old habits. It’s like asking your grand parents to stop calling black people boy cause it’s racist.
They don’t want to understand. Growth is hard. The western world gave Israel a pass for so long because “we didn’t really think the Holocaust was that bad till we got there.” Now they can’t see that Israel grew into a fascist state.
That is why I think we need younger people in charge and it frustrates me about our choice. Still obviously vote for Biden.
It’s more than just that too. Older people vote more than younger people. Younger people are concerned with Palestine, older people are ride or die with Israel. A lot of it has to do with their religion, I’d say most of it really. I hear older democrats all the time mocking the younger people and their protests in support of Palestine.
It’s funny because in a historical context, Jews have been terribly persecuted by Christians.
When I was a kid growing up in an evangelical, Pentecostal movement, we were taught that the Jews were God’s chosen people. We were taught that we had to back Israel no matter what and that the nation who went against Israel would collapse.
Their parents would have been taught something very different regarding Jews in general.
I don’t have a problem with Jews myself, just what the Israeli army is doing right now. I don’t understand why the world has been so unkind to them for so long. I don’t understand how the people of Israel can’t see the parallels between what they’re doing and what happened to them in the 20th century.
I’d say 9/11 and the anti Arab sentiment that grew out of that has something to do with older people being less concerned with the welfare of Palestinians too. I never heard a bad word about Arabs when I was a kid, but after that happened I heard the term “towel head” daily for years. Younger people view that as a historical event and not something that affected their lives directly.
Voting third party sends the wrong message if you’re not voting Biden because of the genocide. Writing in Uncommitted is the most direct way to send that message.
A third party isn’t going to win anyway, so it just muddys the water to vote for a hack like Cornell West or Kennedy.
There isn’t a single non-genocidal candidate. Either they support Israel committing genocide or don’t support Ukraine defending itself from genocide.
I disagree. When people could agree on one third party and that party gets 20% of the popular vote, then it is a direct threat to Democrats power basis. Because then for the next election they could replace the Dems. It is crucial to vote a third party, as it forces the Dems to start caring for the people instead of just their Superpac donors.
Maybe, sure, it is your vote and you’re entitled to use it where you believe it will be most effective.