• @[email protected]
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        208 months ago

        You realize the name Palestine is what the Romans renamed the land to add insult to injury after kicking out all the Jews.

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          There’s no record of the expulsion ever actually happening, but they did get pissy and rename the region because the people wouldn’t stop rebelling and worship the Emperor like civilized folk.

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        The land was changing hands for centuries: https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY (and if we care about silly things about who was first, that would historically be Jews)

        In fact before the British, it was actually owned by the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) which sided with the central powers in WW1. The British enrolled Palestinians and Jews to fight them and promised to give them that land in exchange for conquering it.

        Edit: I meant WW1

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          108 months ago

          surprisingly, there were people there even before the Jews. they are not some indigenous population that sprung from the soil.

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          108 months ago

          This history is about WWI, not WWII. The Ottomans didn’t exist in WWII and Turkey stayed neutral. The Ottomans allied with the Germans in WWI, but it wasn’t the Axis.

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        Well no, before the British arrived the land belonged to the Ottoman Empire. Before that it belonged to the Byzantine/Eastern Roman empire, Roman Empire, Greece, Persia. It hasn’t been a “free” land since at least the mid to early Iron Age.

        Edit: Even then, it was only free from the end of the Bronze Age, where it was a smattering of city states either part of or beholden to primarily the whims of the Hittites, Egyptians or Assyrians.

          • Naminreb
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            78 months ago

            Geographically, It’s located in the best place to be THE door to Europe’s and Africa’s trade routes with Asia.

            Whomever controls that territory, controls an immense amount of the world’s commerce.

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                I can also add that in the Bronze age there was a critical trade route used to get Tin from now-Afghanistan to the eastern Mediterranean, and a lot of the city states in that area were basically stopovers on that larger route or between the big empires in the region.

                Also going further back into the stone age, the entire area was considerably less of a desert than it is now

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              28 months ago

              It’s much less important now thanks to the Suez but still a decently wealthy coastal country.

      • Cylusthevirus
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        You mean the Ottoman Empire? Is that supposed to be the same entity? I have no fuckin’ clue anymore.

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          38 months ago

          Modern Turkey does claim to be the successor state to the Ottoman Empire, yes, and was recognized as such in the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne.

    • @[email protected]
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      118 months ago

      The 19th century begins in 1801. I think you’re likely referencing a later date (probably 1917).

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      68 months ago

      Seems like often ambiguous topic seem like the things both sides of any argument focus on and dig heels in about.

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          38 months ago

          I also wonder if when we talk about foreign and domestic troll farms if those are the topics they push.

          Its like the Facebook math questions “8÷2(2×2)=?” Which gets thousands and thousands of engagement and people all arguing not knowing better or they do know better and attempt to explain.