This is harmful misinformation that can literally lead to people dying from tobacco related disease.
Vaping, while definitely not healthy, is NOWHERE NEAR as unhealthy as smoking tobacco is. Especially when you do it as intended: temporarily for smoking cessation like I added decades to my life by doing.
I smoked for 18 years, the last 10 of which I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medicine and substance abuse therapy. They just didn’t work for me.
Vaping did, though. In roughly 6 months I went from smoking a pack or two a day (depending on stress levels and alcohol intake) to neither smoking nor vaping at all and I haven’t for over 3 years.
I think the main problem is that the companies selling vapes and related products are not really targeting users who are quitting smoking. Obviously there is less money in temporary users. They are targeting people who will keep smoking, usually because it is “cool” and especially teenagers who are a good target for “cool” and can be customers for a long time.
So yes, if you are using it temporarily ease off nicotine it is great and we should keep vapes available for these people as medical devices. However we should try to reduce the damage that vapes are doing to other people. How strongly we should do this is obviously controversial. Personally I would focus on education and personal choice, but there is a strong argument to be more forceful.
If it can help people to quit smoking, I’m all for it. But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won’t have any of the harmfull effects of those.
Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that? Not to offend you, but that seems rather unlikely to me. This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020. It would be very suprising if these kids tried to quit smoking cigarettes
Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that
That 90% is admittedly going by memory of statistical analysis that I’m now unable to find amongst all the anti-vape misinformation and data that focuses only on how many vape and doesn’t show the age distribution.
Anyways, here’s some myths debunked by probably the most reliable and unbiased expert group to weigh in on vapes, the NHS.
This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020
That sounds ridiculously high. The highest I’ve seen for 2018 was 2.9%. There’s no way it went from that to 20% in just two years.
That 90% is admittedly going by memory of statistical analysis that I’m now unable to find amongst all the anti-vape misinformation and data that focuses only on how many vape and doesn’t show the age distribution.
I am not saying you are lying, I know it is impossible to memorize all studies you ever read. On the other hand this makes your 90% pretty useless, as it is not clear what is counted here. You mentioning anti-vape misinformtion seems to me like you could be a bit biased, defending vaping for whatever reason.
That sounds ridiculously high. The highest I’ve seen for 2018 was 2.9%. There’s no way it went from that to 20% in just two years.
Ok but that is not how studies work. I am not from the US, but the affiliations of the study I linked seem to be pretty credible:
Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC; Center for Tobacco Products, Food and Drug Administration, Silver Spring, Maryland.
The “myths debunked” may be an interesting read, but it does not contribute anything useful to the discussion.
I don’t want to fight and as a non-smoker I am absolutely open to get convinced by you if you can provide some substancial information. However downvoting me is not really a strong argument.
That’s literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it’s used for today
Idk where you live, but in middle and eastern europe it’s mainly used as a cigarette replacement (especially by teenagers because they’re harder to detect)
That’s not what it’s being used for 90% of the time. It is seen as a healthy alternative to smoking.
Sadly, we cannot confirm if it’s actually healthier since there have not been a lot of long term studies yet.
This is harmful misinformation that can literally lead to people dying from tobacco related disease.
Vaping, while definitely not healthy, is NOWHERE NEAR as unhealthy as smoking tobacco is. Especially when you do it as intended: temporarily for smoking cessation like I added decades to my life by doing.
I smoked for 18 years, the last 10 of which I tried every other smoking cessation method including prescription medicine and substance abuse therapy. They just didn’t work for me.
Vaping did, though. In roughly 6 months I went from smoking a pack or two a day (depending on stress levels and alcohol intake) to neither smoking nor vaping at all and I haven’t for over 3 years.
I think the main problem is that the companies selling vapes and related products are not really targeting users who are quitting smoking. Obviously there is less money in temporary users. They are targeting people who will keep smoking, usually because it is “cool” and especially teenagers who are a good target for “cool” and can be customers for a long time.
So yes, if you are using it temporarily ease off nicotine it is great and we should keep vapes available for these people as medical devices. However we should try to reduce the damage that vapes are doing to other people. How strongly we should do this is obviously controversial. Personally I would focus on education and personal choice, but there is a strong argument to be more forceful.
If it can help people to quit smoking, I’m all for it. But I hope eventually they get to quit vaping too so they at least won’t have any of the harmfull effects of those.
That’s literally what it was invented for and 90%+ of what it’s used for today.
Again, that’s all it was ever designed for.
Is that 90%+ what you feel or can you provide a profound statistic for that? Not to offend you, but that seems rather unlikely to me. This study reports about 20% of high school students using e cigarettes in 2020. It would be very suprising if these kids tried to quit smoking cigarettes
That 90% is admittedly going by memory of statistical analysis that I’m now unable to find amongst all the anti-vape misinformation and data that focuses only on how many vape and doesn’t show the age distribution.
Anyways, here’s some myths debunked by probably the most reliable and unbiased expert group to weigh in on vapes, the NHS.
That sounds ridiculously high. The highest I’ve seen for 2018 was 2.9%. There’s no way it went from that to 20% in just two years.
I am not saying you are lying, I know it is impossible to memorize all studies you ever read. On the other hand this makes your 90% pretty useless, as it is not clear what is counted here. You mentioning
anti-vape misinformtionseems to me like you could be a bit biased, defending vaping for whatever reason.Ok but that is not how studies work. I am not from the US, but the affiliations of the study I linked seem to be pretty credible:
Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC; Center for Tobacco Products, Food and Drug Administration, Silver Spring, Maryland.The “myths debunked” may be an interesting read, but it does not contribute anything useful to the discussion.
I don’t want to fight and as a non-smoker I am absolutely open to get convinced by you if you can provide some substancial information. However downvoting me is not really a strong argument.
Ridiculously low depending on the country
Idk where you live, but in middle and eastern europe it’s mainly used as a cigarette replacement (especially by teenagers because they’re harder to detect)
That’s not what it’s being used for 90% of the time. It is seen as a healthy alternative to smoking. Sadly, we cannot confirm if it’s actually healthier since there have not been a lot of long term studies yet.
Vaping has been around for nearly 15 years now and there aren’t any known harmful effects.