But that’s business as usual- he’s still the only thing limiting Israel’s genocidal warfare, not that you really care about Palestinian lives or anything.
Why does anyone believe he’s doing anything to limit jack shit? Every time someone so much as bats an eye at Israel he puts out a statement condemning antisemitism
Unfortunately for you Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinians since the 1948 Israeli/Arab war, and the United states has supported them since then. I guess if you want to pretend this is something new and Biden is the cause of The Genocide™ so you can feel better about yourself without actually making a difference then good for you. I applaud your mental gymnastics.
voting for a party enabling genocide is voting in support of genocide
you:
Unfortunately for you Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinians since the 1948 Israeli/Arab war, and the United states has supported them since then. I guess if you want to pretend this is something new and Biden is the cause of The Genocide™ so you can feel better about yourself without actually making a difference then good for you.
if you vote for biden, you are voting for genocide
Me:
If you’re a human being that exists in America you have supported genocide in some capacity, and voting for Biden doesn’t mean you support it anymore than if you do not vote, voting 3rd party, or voting for Trump. America needs to fix its relationship with Israel and Palestine, but Joe Biden is no more culpable for what’s happening in Gaza than any president before him, and he’s light years ahead of the other main party candidate in his support for Palestinians. Your ability to place that blame solely on Joe Biden and people who support him involves an impressive level of mental gymnastics.
Hope that clears it up for you. If you mean something else I’d love to hear it.
i’d say sanctioning the icc for attempting to stop said genocide is being pretty aggressive about it, as is continuing to block any un-led action, as is continuing to send arms
which do you disagree with?
biden is supporting genocide
voting for a hypothetical candidate supporting genocide is voting in support of genocide
The rest of your comment is inane prattle.
i know you wanted to do the ol’ switcheroo but it doesn’t really work when you responded to everything in my comment
i know you wanted to do the ol’ switcheroo but it doesn’t really work when you responded to everything in my comment
Mea culpa.
Biden is not supporting The Genocide™ that people started paying attention to once it became a trendy thing to talk about on Tiktok, The Genocide™ that you seem to be concerned with. The Genocide™ that benefits Netanyahu and Putin.
By virtue of being an American citizen Biden is culpable for the slow burn genocide that Palestinians have been subject to since 1948ish. The same genocide that you are also culpable of and are equally in support of.
Most of Biden’s actions are political theater to not alienate Jewish voters and the powerful AIPAC. A group that he desperately needs to win reelection because progressives don’t reliably vote.
The ICC has never stopped a genocide in its entire existence, so to say that sanctioning the ICC is aggressively supporting The Genocide™ is just not true. The ICC could send out charges and arrest warrants for every politician in Israel without America ever lifting a finger and it would have absolutely no impact on The Genocide™, positive or negative.
UN action is equally useless, so whatever action you think would have stopped The Genocide™ that Biden blocked it wouldn’t have done shit.
Israel and Netanyahu have made it clear that they will continue the invasion into Gaza with or without US military support, so any arms we may have given Israel have no impact on their willingness to wage war.
What other specious evidence of aggressive support do you have?
As a last point, voting for a candidate doesn’t mean you support all of that candidates actions or views. That’s why Republicans do so well; Republican voters have one or two issues they agree with passionately (immigration, gun control, abortion restrictions, etc.) and vote enthusiastically for the candidate that supports their thing regardless of the candidates other positions.
On the other hand progressives/leftists/whatever pick a hill to die on, and if a candidate disagrees with them a little bit on that issue they will refuse to vote for the candidate regardless of how many other positions they agree on.
The genocide debate is a perfect example; people like you have convinced yourself that Biden supports genocide so you refuse to vote for him because you disagree about that one point. No matter what other points you may agree on, or how much more Trump supports genocide and other positions you disagree with, people like you refuse to vote for Biden and in the end Trump gets elected. Real take my ball and go home energy.
Biden is not supporting The Genocide™ that people started paying attention to once it became a trendy thing to talk about on Tiktok
It became “trendy” more or less immediately at the point that it started happening.
The ICC has never stopped a genocide in its entire existence
What genocide has the US stopped since the creation of the ICC?
If you can’t name one, then literally anything Biden could do up to and including nuking Palestine “wouldn’t have made a difference anyway.”
UN action is equally useless
UN action is useless because of veto powers. Whatever the UN wants to do, somebody will veto it.
In this instance, the person vetoing that action is Biden.
Israel and Netanyahu have made it clear that they will continue the invasion into Gaza with or without US military support, so any arms we may have given Israel have no impact on their willingness to wage war.
I mean I agree with this, but why would you continue to send arms once they’ve demonstrated what they’ll be used for unless you kind of don’t care about it?
What other specious evidence of aggressive support do you have?
If you can honestly look at the sum total of Biden’s actions and go “nah he’s trying his best to stop it” then there’s not much point in continuing this discussion, since we’re essentially in two different realities at this point.
As a last point, voting for a candidate doesn’t mean you support all of that candidates actions or views.
Again, you might hate genocide, but objectively, voting for a candidate aggressively enabling genocide is voting in support of that genocide
If somebody hates racism, but gets tricked into voting for Trump by Black Voices for Trump, would you say they’re voting in support of racism or not?
you disagree about that one point
It’s almost comical that you can be so flippant about genocide. “It’s just one genocide guys, come on.”
That’s why Republicans do so well; Republican voters have one or two issues they agree with passionately
So you’re arguing it’s good to be a single issue voter?
On the other hand progressives/leftists/whatever pick a hill to die on
So you’re arguing it’s bad to be a single issue voter?
refraining from using my vote, so that Trump will win is the moral and reasonable course of action to help Palestinians, despite Trump being an insane fascist who’s also Putin’s little bitch
This person is completely fine to punish America if they don’t get their way. They are aware of the damage Trump will do to the LGBTQ+, to women’s rights, to education, to PALESTINE…. but they clearly don’t care.
If they can’t get their single issue addressed- they are willing to ruin an entire country so that they can stand in the wreckage and say
“I told you this would happen if you didn’t listen to me.”
Do you know who the candidates are? Who the other guy is?
The person whos promised to remove all climate actions and regulations on day one. A guy who is taking dick from Putin every night while screaming “harder daddy”. A drooling megalomaniacal diaper wearing fascist, who supports Putin and Netanyahu.
You’re not voting for genocide. You’re not even voting for Biden. You’re voting against Trump.
If you’re an American with the right to vote and you don’t vote Biden, you are directly supporting Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and other far-right leaders.
Have you ever heard of the trolley problem? You’re online, so you should have. Do you know what’s never the answer to those problems? “I walk away but also take no responsibility for allowing more people to die.” Sorry, not an option. The lesson is that inaction is a choice with consequences.
if you vote for biden, you are voting for genocide
that seems kind of objectively true to me
you don’t pick and choose which policies your candidate’s vote goes towards it counts for all of them
If you vote for Biden, you are voting to limit Israel’s genocidal warfare.
Lmao yes that is how I’d describe him obstructing the ICCs prosecution of it
I could obstruct the ICC with a wet paper bag ;)
But that’s business as usual- he’s still the only thing limiting Israel’s genocidal warfare, not that you really care about Palestinian lives or anything.
Why does anyone believe he’s doing anything to limit jack shit? Every time someone so much as bats an eye at Israel he puts out a statement condemning antisemitism
Do you know what ‘limit’ means? I’m curious how you’re struggling with this concept.
So that’s a ‘no’ on understanding the concept of ‘limit’… you’re a fascinating specimen!
Unfortunately for you Israel has been committing genocide against the Palestinians since the 1948 Israeli/Arab war, and the United states has supported them since then. I guess if you want to pretend this is something new and Biden is the cause of The Genocide™ so you can feel better about yourself without actually making a difference then good for you. I applaud your mental gymnastics.
They are entirely unaware that Palestine even existed prior to October 7th.
me:
you:
also you:
You:
Me:
Hope that clears it up for you. If you mean something else I’d love to hear it.
America was founded on the genocide of native Americans, this is objectively true
Of course acknowledging that has always been a problem for Americans, but who knew stopping themselves from doing it again would be such a hard sell
Bazinga, got 'em
cool, but that’s not what i said
i said voting for biden is voting in support of genocide
you might hate genocide, but objectively, voting for a candidate aggressively enabling genocide is voting in support of that genocide
the rest of your comment is just filler
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i’d say sanctioning the icc for attempting to stop said genocide is being pretty aggressive about it, as is continuing to block any un-led action, as is continuing to send arms
which do you disagree with?
i know you wanted to do the ol’ switcheroo but it doesn’t really work when you responded to everything in my comment
Mea culpa.
Biden is not supporting The Genocide™ that people started paying attention to once it became a trendy thing to talk about on Tiktok, The Genocide™ that you seem to be concerned with. The Genocide™ that benefits Netanyahu and Putin.
By virtue of being an American citizen Biden is culpable for the slow burn genocide that Palestinians have been subject to since 1948ish. The same genocide that you are also culpable of and are equally in support of.
Most of Biden’s actions are political theater to not alienate Jewish voters and the powerful AIPAC. A group that he desperately needs to win reelection because progressives don’t reliably vote.
The ICC has never stopped a genocide in its entire existence, so to say that sanctioning the ICC is aggressively supporting The Genocide™ is just not true. The ICC could send out charges and arrest warrants for every politician in Israel without America ever lifting a finger and it would have absolutely no impact on The Genocide™, positive or negative.
UN action is equally useless, so whatever action you think would have stopped The Genocide™ that Biden blocked it wouldn’t have done shit.
Israel and Netanyahu have made it clear that they will continue the invasion into Gaza with or without US military support, so any arms we may have given Israel have no impact on their willingness to wage war.
What other specious evidence of aggressive support do you have?
As a last point, voting for a candidate doesn’t mean you support all of that candidates actions or views. That’s why Republicans do so well; Republican voters have one or two issues they agree with passionately (immigration, gun control, abortion restrictions, etc.) and vote enthusiastically for the candidate that supports their thing regardless of the candidates other positions.
On the other hand progressives/leftists/whatever pick a hill to die on, and if a candidate disagrees with them a little bit on that issue they will refuse to vote for the candidate regardless of how many other positions they agree on.
The genocide debate is a perfect example; people like you have convinced yourself that Biden supports genocide so you refuse to vote for him because you disagree about that one point. No matter what other points you may agree on, or how much more Trump supports genocide and other positions you disagree with, people like you refuse to vote for Biden and in the end Trump gets elected. Real take my ball and go home energy.
It became “trendy” more or less immediately at the point that it started happening.
What genocide has the US stopped since the creation of the ICC?
If you can’t name one, then literally anything Biden could do up to and including nuking Palestine “wouldn’t have made a difference anyway.”
UN action is useless because of veto powers. Whatever the UN wants to do, somebody will veto it.
In this instance, the person vetoing that action is Biden.
I mean I agree with this, but why would you continue to send arms once they’ve demonstrated what they’ll be used for unless you kind of don’t care about it?
If you can honestly look at the sum total of Biden’s actions and go “nah he’s trying his best to stop it” then there’s not much point in continuing this discussion, since we’re essentially in two different realities at this point.
Again, you might hate genocide, but objectively, voting for a candidate aggressively enabling genocide is voting in support of that genocide
If somebody hates racism, but gets tricked into voting for Trump by Black Voices for Trump, would you say they’re voting in support of racism or not?
It’s almost comical that you can be so flippant about genocide. “It’s just one genocide guys, come on.”
So you’re arguing it’s good to be a single issue voter?
So you’re arguing it’s bad to be a single issue voter?
You:
Refraining from using your voice to say ‘I don’t want to vote for genocide, actually’
This person is completely fine to punish America if they don’t get their way. They are aware of the damage Trump will do to the LGBTQ+, to women’s rights, to education, to PALESTINE…. but they clearly don’t care.
If they can’t get their single issue addressed- they are willing to ruin an entire country so that they can stand in the wreckage and say
“I told you this would happen if you didn’t listen to me.”
palestinians are screwed either way, friend
Do you know who the candidates are? Who the other guy is?
The person whos promised to remove all climate actions and regulations on day one. A guy who is taking dick from Putin every night while screaming “harder daddy”. A drooling megalomaniacal diaper wearing fascist, who supports Putin and Netanyahu.
You’re not voting for genocide. You’re not even voting for Biden. You’re voting against Trump.
If you’re an American with the right to vote and you don’t vote Biden, you are directly supporting Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and other far-right leaders.
Have you ever heard of the trolley problem? You’re online, so you should have. Do you know what’s never the answer to those problems? “I walk away but also take no responsibility for allowing more people to die.” Sorry, not an option. The lesson is that inaction is a choice with consequences.
The trolly problem conceptualized a situation where there is no one on train who can pull the breaks
Bidens on the train. He could pull the breaks.
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So full of shit
Help! Your logic! It overwhelms!