Two decades of U.S. policy appear to be rooted in a mistaken understanding of what happened that day. archive

  • @[email protected]
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    467 months ago

    Remember kids: Iran is the bad Middle East autocracy and Saudi Arabia is the good Middle East autocracy.

    US foreign policy has always been and will always be interest based rather than value based, but they will use moral arguments and threat inflation to drum up support for their misadventures abroad.

      • @[email protected]
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        157 months ago

        Or… one is bad and the other one is way worse.

        The thing that always amuses me about this is that Iran was a burgeoning liberal democracy until the CIA and MI6 toppled it in 1953, installing a previously overthrown autocrat (overthrown by said forces of democracy), who ruled until 1979, when he was overthrown by religious hard liners, who really only had mass support because the autocrat was too authoritarian.

        And the reason the U.S. and Britain overthrew their democracy? They nationalized their oil industry to give profits back to their people, which entailed taking over refineries and wells ‘owned’ by British Petroleum.
        The U.S. created their own boogeyman in the area because they wanted to give a corporation near-free access to Iran’s oil. Which in turn lead to the oil crisis and instability in the region.
        The U.S. has really got to stop trying to put out fires while covered in crude oil.

      • Flying SquidM
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        77 months ago

        Which one is the way worse one? Because I can’t really think of a way in which one is way worse than the other. I wouldn’t ever want to live in either place if I were a woman or a queer person.

      • @[email protected]
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        37 months ago

        100% agree, no longer being oil dependent would make the middle east a saver place (as well as having many other advantages).

        But even the green revolution needs cheap labor, recourses, and rare-earth metals. Countries that do not want to play game and want to nationalize key industries for instance, will be coerced financially or militarily by greater powers (be it the West, China, or Russia).

        So the idea of one country being worse than the other is not really relevant and moreover a known strategy for getting war support. I am happy that I don’t live in Iran or Saudi Arabia, but escalating conflict with either of them will not improve anybody’s life. Look at Syria or Libya.

    • katy ✨
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      27 months ago

      iran is pretty regressive (at least the government and the governing bodies) but i do love how the us always says iran is so evil and yet they gave them a whole bunch of weapons in exchange for money that the us could use to fund terrorists in central america in the 80s.