The mental gymnastics you’re doing to dodge these very simple and straightforward points would make Neo in the matrix proud.
this all started from mental gymnastics, and you’re currently trying to straight up claim that single issue voters are in general effective for the republicans but ineffective for the democrats because…reasons…?
It’s a pretty simple concept. I’ll use a pizza analogy since kids love pizza.
Republican voters love pineapple on pizza, but we don’t have any pineapple pizza. The Republican voter says “that’s okay, I’ll have the supreme pizza because it’s pretty close”. So the single issue Republican voter gets pizza and the Republican candidate gets elected.
Progressives voters love anchovies on pizza, but we don’t have anchovy pizza, we only have pepperoni pizza. The progressive voter says “fuck off, I don’t want your shitty pizza without anchovies” and then shits all over the pizza. So the progressive single issue voter gets no pizza, no one else gets pizza, and the Democratic candidate doesn’t get elected.
In this case eating pizza is voting for the candidate, not eating the pizza is not voting for the candidate. The Republican single issue voter votes and helps the Republican get elected. The progressive single issue voter doesn’t vote, doesn’t help the Democratic candidate get elected, and since we have first past the post elections in America he helps the Republican get elected.
If you want to pretend like you still don’t get I understand. You’ve intentionally missed the basic concept so many times that you it would be pretty silly to admit you understand now.
The Republican voter says “that’s okay, I’ll have the supreme pizza because it’s pretty close”. So the single issue Republican voter gets pizza and the Republican candidate gets elected.
compromise with a middle ground is literally the opposite of single issue and it’s insane that you’re still trying to pretend it isn’t
single issue isn’t “ham is kind of like pepperoni”
I think we’re very close, I now have hope we can get on the same page with this at least.
There are two types of single issue voters. We’ll call them type 1 and type 2. We call them single issue voters because it is a single issue driving their voting choice.
Type 1 single issue voters care a lot about an issue. So they vote for which ever candidate is closest to their view on that issue. They compromise on that issue and their other views to vote for whoever is closest. These single issue voters help their candidate win.
Type 2 single issue voters also care a lot about one issue. Except if a candidate disagrees with their view even a little bit, they refuse to vote for the candidate. Even if the voter and the candidate agree on nearly everything else, this single issue prevents the voter from casting a vote for the candidate. These single issue voters help the candidates opponent to win.
A lot of Republican voters are type 1 single issue voter.s
A lot of progressives are type 2 single issue voters.
An example (or a strawman if you prefer):
I’m a type 1 single issue voter. I disagree with Joe Biden on many issues, but I vote for him because he’s closest to my views on climate change. So I vote for Joe Biden in support of my goals for climate change. I am helping Joe Biden win. (I’m not really a single issue voter, but this is a strawman)
You are a type 2 single issue voter. You oppose The Genocide™, so you are abstaining from voting (or maybe voting 3rd party because the 3rd party candidates have never had to decide whether or not to support The Genocide™). Because we have a first past the post voting system, and you were a potential vote for Biden, you are helping Trump win.
I don’t know if you would vote for Biden if Israel hadn’t invaded Gaza, but I think you get the point . It is after all a simplified example intended to quickly convey a point.
so hypothetically, you think single-issue gun control republicans are willing to compromise on gun control?
Exactly, I think you got it. A single issue gun control voter wants less gun control. Say they want to be able to own fully automatic rifles. Trump doesn’t want people owning fully automatic rifles, he doesn’t even want bump stocks to be legal. Trump however is more lenient on other aspects of gun control, certainly more lenient than Biden. They may agree more with Biden on immigration, or abortion, or taxes, but they agree most with Trump on the other issues so they vote for Trump.
So we have one type of single issue voter that is good for Republicans, and one type of single issue voter that is bad for Democrats.
you mysteriously dropped that half of your argument idk why
We’ll figure out the other parts of the argument once we have this simple thing settled.
trump tried to enact a little bit of gun control, it was basically the only thing his voter base ever pushed back on, but they pushed back very hard, and he very quickly dropped it
so demonstrably your understanding of republicans is wrong, so i don’t know where this leaves you
The mental gymnastics you’re doing to dodge these very simple and straightforward points would make Neo in the matrix proud.
It’s a pretty simple concept. I’ll use a pizza analogy since kids love pizza.
Republican voters love pineapple on pizza, but we don’t have any pineapple pizza. The Republican voter says “that’s okay, I’ll have the supreme pizza because it’s pretty close”. So the single issue Republican voter gets pizza and the Republican candidate gets elected.
Progressives voters love anchovies on pizza, but we don’t have anchovy pizza, we only have pepperoni pizza. The progressive voter says “fuck off, I don’t want your shitty pizza without anchovies” and then shits all over the pizza. So the progressive single issue voter gets no pizza, no one else gets pizza, and the Democratic candidate doesn’t get elected.
In this case eating pizza is voting for the candidate, not eating the pizza is not voting for the candidate. The Republican single issue voter votes and helps the Republican get elected. The progressive single issue voter doesn’t vote, doesn’t help the Democratic candidate get elected, and since we have first past the post elections in America he helps the Republican get elected.
If you want to pretend like you still don’t get I understand. You’ve intentionally missed the basic concept so many times that you it would be pretty silly to admit you understand now.
compromise with a middle ground is literally the opposite of single issue and it’s insane that you’re still trying to pretend it isn’t
single issue isn’t “ham is kind of like pepperoni”
single issue is “pepperoni or i don’t eat pizza”
republican voters only want pepperoni
I think we’re very close, I now have hope we can get on the same page with this at least.
There are two types of single issue voters. We’ll call them type 1 and type 2. We call them single issue voters because it is a single issue driving their voting choice.
Type 1 single issue voters care a lot about an issue. So they vote for which ever candidate is closest to their view on that issue. They compromise on that issue and their other views to vote for whoever is closest. These single issue voters help their candidate win.
Type 2 single issue voters also care a lot about one issue. Except if a candidate disagrees with their view even a little bit, they refuse to vote for the candidate. Even if the voter and the candidate agree on nearly everything else, this single issue prevents the voter from casting a vote for the candidate. These single issue voters help the candidates opponent to win.
A lot of Republican voters are type 1 single issue voter.s
A lot of progressives are type 2 single issue voters.
An example (or a strawman if you prefer):
I’m a type 1 single issue voter. I disagree with Joe Biden on many issues, but I vote for him because he’s closest to my views on climate change. So I vote for Joe Biden in support of my goals for climate change. I am helping Joe Biden win. (I’m not really a single issue voter, but this is a strawman)
You are a type 2 single issue voter. You oppose The Genocide™, so you are abstaining from voting (or maybe voting 3rd party because the 3rd party candidates have never had to decide whether or not to support The Genocide™). Because we have a first past the post voting system, and you were a potential vote for Biden, you are helping Trump win.
I don’t know if you would vote for Biden if Israel hadn’t invaded Gaza, but I think you get the point . It is after all a simplified example intended to quickly convey a point.
so hypothetically, you think single-issue gun control republicans are willing to compromise on gun control?
literally not even the part you were strawmanning and you very obviously know that
you mysteriously dropped that half of your argument idk why
Exactly, I think you got it. A single issue gun control voter wants less gun control. Say they want to be able to own fully automatic rifles. Trump doesn’t want people owning fully automatic rifles, he doesn’t even want bump stocks to be legal. Trump however is more lenient on other aspects of gun control, certainly more lenient than Biden. They may agree more with Biden on immigration, or abortion, or taxes, but they agree most with Trump on the other issues so they vote for Trump.
So we have one type of single issue voter that is good for Republicans, and one type of single issue voter that is bad for Democrats.
We’ll figure out the other parts of the argument once we have this simple thing settled.
trump tried to enact a little bit of gun control, it was basically the only thing his voter base ever pushed back on, but they pushed back very hard, and he very quickly dropped it
so demonstrably your understanding of republicans is wrong, so i don’t know where this leaves you
Hmmm
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Really nailed the dismount there buddy. I’m beginning to understand why you’ve drawn the other conclusions that you have.
Take it easy.
yes he signed in legislation, his voter base responded, and he dropped gun control from his platform
look at his stance now
almost like this was a direct consequence of the pushback SUPER weird that your voter base abandoning you leads to change in your platform