Greetings from new mod team

I’ve started putting together community rules at sidebar

  • Team members: Since we don’t have team modmail capabilities yet, let’s use this to intro ourselves to community, as well as to have conversations about the direction of the community, including feedback from community members feedback.

  • All: I’d welcome your feedback, comments.

  • WRT consent and respect, please also see this post by admins

  • Volunteers? If you (including OCC) would like to help moderate and grow this community, please leave a comment here expressing your interest; prior experience modding is not necessary, simply that you have passion for this particular community. No promises that you’ll get added, but a general community of this potential growth/size could use a good sized team of 5 to 10 mods. Please see this rough commentary on what I consider modding to be: https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/552299

  • @Bendavisunlv6English
    3•1 year ago

    It’s tricky. I’ll share my thoughts but please bear in mind I’m just talking here - no judgments. I think this is a tough topic.

    First I don’t think the distinction between OC and non-OC content is clear. And while the rules show concern for OC creators, technically it’s not great to repost copyrighted commercial photos either. These places thrive on unauthorized posting of content, and there’s no way around it. Having any rules about consent and permission open a whole can of worms about why anything should be allowed to be posted without proper permissions.

    On top of this it’s unrealistic to expect people to stop and secure permission before posting. There will be some cases of that but mostly they just won’t. So the rules wind up appearing like ass-covering. As if you know realistically that no one is securing permission, but you can always point to the rules and absolve yourself of blame because you did set some rules. This also seems like a solution with mixed integrity.

    So what are we to do? I think a lot of times the ultimate choice mods make is to moderate cases of consent and permission reactively. If you can’t trust others to gain permission, you can at least be very responsive if anyone ever complains. Make it clear how to file such a request, and consider some kind of disciplinary suspensions for users who post such content, just to make them think twice in future.

    I dunno… it’s hard. These are just my unstructured thoughts.

    • b9999998OPMEnglish
      1•1 year ago

      Tricky

      Indeed - that word has been used by everyone, including all the admins of this instance, but it is also very apropos. Thank you very much for your honest feedback and I (and perhaps others too) will try to respond more fully later as time permits.

      these places thrive on unauthorized posting of content, and there’s no way around it.

      I totally understand the “wild west” appeal of having no rules and this particular aspect. I am totally guilty of it too and I helped build up Reddit NSFW traffic for years doing such. As well as tens of thousands of spammers and karma farmers and repost spambots that have no regard for rules and will do whatever they want to do.

      More later…

      • b9999998OPMEnglish
        2•1 year ago

        First I don’t think the distinction between OC and non-OC content is clear. it’s unrealistic to expect people to stop and secure permission before posting.

        Here’s how I see the distinctions - will try to put some of this into sidebar too later if this makes sense - after suggestions, recommendations, edits, etc. Whew!

          1. OC is content that is created by an individual (amateur or seller i.e. Onlyfans, Fansly, etc), depicting themselves (with or without friends or other OCCs), and not afflated with a professional studio like MetArt, FTVGirls. For this type of content, I always recommend OCC to watermark with the username (or selling account), but hopefully in tasteful and not obnoxious ways.
          1. Non-OC: anything that is not the above, but grouped this way in my mind:
          • a. Professional studios/paysites content watermarked as such: i.e. Metart, Femjoy, Hegre, etc.
          • b. Stuff you find “somewhere” on the web or various other social media places where the content is not of youself, and no identification of model names, age, etc. Most of this may be also be stuff with studio watermarks cropped out (intentionally or not), amateur content scraped off sites such as various Reddit GW subs (where watermarking is prohibited) and redistributed elsewhere by spammers or ad-supported sites “reselling” such content. Or worse, illegal content that you may not even know is illegal.
          • c. OC content that is marked/belong to someone else. Like material at Flickr that is blocked from being “shared” or Instagram. Some may have been scraped off Reddit subreddits where watermarking is allowed.

        1 and 2c are where some indication of consent is requested/required to comply with lemmyNSFW instance-wide rules, even if the user is not here on Lemmy. Some models may freely have given permissions cart blanche or privately, so you can provide such indication. When in doubt and you are too lazy, don’t post

        2a content is generally shared under DMCA fair-use practice and won’t require consent permission.

        • (The following is my interpretation only, based on experience, and is NOT legal advice) as long as you are not sharing the whole body of work and ripping off the studio by sharing entire imagesets, etc, most studios recognize that such sharing is going to be done and treat that as “free” promotional material for their brand(s).
        • I’ve moderated several studio-focused subreddits on Reddit (such as r/Hegre, r/FTVGirls, Metart, ALSScan …) and have gotten explicit acknowledgment from some of the studio representatives that they are generally OK with that practice as long as single (or a few) images are shared with logos intact to provide due credit of their work. I have my own mental list of which studios don’t do DMCA claims for normal sharing and which ones do. (Most of you Redditors may know of the situation recently with Mind-Geeks owned brands such as pornhub, Brazzers - which were wholesale 100% DMCA claimed on Reddit - here’s a good read, as well as some context )

        2b is stuff that may be “fun” and “exciting” to share, but also carry many risks as you have no idea under what context these images may be taken: revenge porn, non-consensual, potenially underage, etc., and would go against rule 5 (Rule Five) No Non-Consensual Content of overall lemmyNSFW rules

        • Obviously, this is our overall biggest concern as one or a few of these images showing up in this instance can potentially take down an entire community/instance - so yes, some of it is CYA, but necessary.
        • My recommendation would be to don’t post these - no matter how tempting. Mods and Instance admins have the obligation to not allow such postings and will/can remove such as well as ban posters of such. Some communities may decide to not worry or care about any rules including about age verifications, but that’s an entirely different matter outside of here.

        Whew - hope this helps. I’m sure I’ve missed some distinctions and special cases…