• Erasmus
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      636 months ago

      Because a death cult runs our political system in the US.

      • @[email protected]
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        76 months ago

        It’s rather weird that a Christian cult would spend so much on people who are, according to that cult, pariahs.

        I don’t think support of Israel is that much connected to Christianity. It’s rather that when you have Israel, supporting it is a huge reputational counterweight to any fascist action you take.

        • @[email protected]
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          136 months ago

          Pariahs who need to have their own state for armageddon to happen. Remember that these are the same mental giants who invented the prosperity gospel. Not a cult so much as the entirety of southern baptism.

          • @[email protected]
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            26 months ago

            Yep, starting with the first paragraph. The author might have skipped his Sunday school or something. In Christianity it’s considered that “God’s chosen people” has been extended to the whole humanity.

            “I don’t think these people even know what that truly means” - maybe most of them don’t, but they are using the designation correctly.

            “Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights as Jewish citizens” - well, the statement is kinda true ; technically false due to Israeli laws being a patchwork of weird shit with some inheritance from the Ottoman millets system, which is the same as apartheid give or take, but that’s not why the author is wrong. It’s just that most of Arabs living under Israeli military control are not citizens of Israel.

            Why am I even commenting that, there are sometimes outrageous texts with which it’s a dubious, but still pleasure to argue with. This one is just some jellybrain’s product.

        • The Octonaut
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          66 months ago

          > when you don’t read to the end of the bible so you don’t know why the US really wants Israel to exist

          • @[email protected]
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            26 months ago

            I did read it a lot, it’s just that Christianity over the pond is weird. Weirder than in China and Japan, I can understand where their traits of it come from, but in USA it’s something hard for me to emotionally grasp.

            • @[email protected]
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              46 months ago

              The USA’s relationship to Christianity is unique in that the first fuckers to come colonize the place were too strict even for Christianity in 17th century Europe. The Puritans were a blight upon this world and the ramifications are still sending aftershocks to the present day.

              • @[email protected]
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                36 months ago

                I should have added that practical Catholicism in South America doesn’t seem to have this kind of weirdness, so indeed it’s Puritans or even more generally, the spirit of a closed small sect, where the religion itself is not as important as the sect loyalty and uncritical following. Only it’s neither closed nor small.

    • @[email protected]
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      246 months ago

      Israel has a huge intelliegence network that the US help them build by giving them billions of dollars.

      The US relations with that area is already really poor. Pulling support of Israel will bring the US back decades of relationship building, billions of dollars invested, and losing the location. The location is important because Israel is in the center, near water, and isn’t an island.

      Morally, being allies with Israel is not good, logically it makes sense.

      • @[email protected]
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        Sounds a lot like sunken cost fallacy. We might be better off making other allies.

        • @[email protected]
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          26 months ago

          The president role is 7 years. Knesset seat is 4 years. Would you give up decades of relationship building for one presidential term?

          Also how often would you switch allies if they commit genocide defined by the Genocide Convention?

          • @[email protected]
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            46 months ago

            Over an active genocide? I would immediately end a friendship with a country and as many times as it takes to not be responsible for enabling a genocide. Allies don’t let allies commit genocide, everyone knows that. Besides it takes more than a president to do a genocide.

              • @[email protected]
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                I knew this would come up, which is why i specified this. Might as well as cut the head off the “every country has committed genocide at some point” argument. Not every country is actively committing genocide, Israel is. America is their chef supplier of power. America is actively Shielding them from the consequences of committing genocide.

                So we should stop backing a country that is actively committing genocide full stop. No money, no weapons, no blocking sanctions, no threatening countries and organizations trying to help the victims. This is the literal bare minimum, as we should be sanctioning them, we should be guaranteeing humanitarian aid to Palestinians.

                When is it not an active genocide? When the genocide stops.

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                  Let’s say we stopped being allies with them and stopped funding. So if they stop tomorrow, then the US should have them as allies again?

                  • @[email protected]
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                    16 months ago

                    Possibly, at that point it would be based on trust that the administration would not continue genocide actions. If Israel changed the ruling party and immediately stopped their genocide then that would be the fastest means to return. I have issues with the land grab into Palestine for the same reason i side with Ukraine. But genocide gives me more than just issues.

      • @[email protected]
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        66 months ago

        It being that important, surely somebody in the US government and intelligence have thought that they might not be abusing only that importance for funds, but the ties themselves for influence. In the sense of spying at the US, corruption and such.

        • @[email protected]
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          16 months ago

          They could very well be doing those things. Israel is a technology powerhouse now. Being allies allows more political accountability.

        • @[email protected]
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          66 months ago

          Their loyalties still aren’t lodged with anyone, but we keep sucking them off anyway.

          Well, I shit at Israel every day, but they would be nuts to “lodge their loyalties” when that means loss of such leverage.

            • @[email protected]
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              26 months ago

              Israeli dark money

              … is something important enough to kill a 100 JFKs for.

              It’s a state sporting F35s and such.

              and the political influence of evangelical millenarians

              Can’t speak about them, I don’t live in the US and the fact of such a group existing is wild for me.

    • @[email protected]
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      126 months ago

      And why do we think they need more weapons to “defend” themselves if they’re threatening to obliterate multiple other countries?