Well, in this one the talent had a big hand in bringing this whole movie together, didn’t they? RR helped write it, he executive produced it, his production company, Maximum effort is producing it. His chosen yes-man director is directing. I work in the production world, he’s a major creative power.
Nah, there’s definitely an element of fatigue. I used to watch superhero movies pretty religiously, even renting movies I missed before watching the new avengers flick. I even went to see Infinity War day one, and it was such a shock that I remember sitting in the car in silence on the way home (though I did cue up Snow in Summer from the NieR soundtrack… IYKYK). After Endgame, though… It was like a switch flipped. I had just watched this big, amazing payoff film that celebrated nearly a decade of cinema, had highs and lows, I watched actors and characters I had followed for years giving their goodbyes… It was a big, emotional moment, and the feeling I had afterwards was like the end of Thanksgiving dinner where you’ve finished your slice of pie and are enjoying the warm and fuzzy feelings. In other words, I was full.
So when Marvel kept producing more movies at the same pace as before, it was like the end of Thanksgiving dinner, except now the host is starting to bring out another pie and putting a slice in front of me, and now I’m side-eyeing it and trying to find a polite excuse to say no and go the fuck home.
Infinity War and Endgame are arguably their last real good movies. There’s a couple others, but that’s when they really committed to The Formula and lost quality.
Yeah, I won’t deny the quality has gone down, too. Marvel’s biggest mistake was thinking they could keep the gravy train rolling past endgame. They SHOULD have let it rest and given the creatives some time to cook and plan a new arc, but instead they pushed forward before they were ready and are paying dearly for it.
It’s the same damn mistake they made with the star wars sequel trilogy–if they had sat on it for a year or two, hashed out a coherent overarching plot, and let it cook, we would’ve gotten something better than “Somehow, Palpatine returned.” Hell, if they needed something immediately, they could have brought in Timothy Zahn to adapt the Thrawn books. Instead they went off half-cocked and gave us a barely-coherent retread of the original trilogy.
it’s almost like they told their saga that took 10 years but forgot to tell the studio. the story ended its like a TV show that kept going like we all know scrubs ended at season 8 but the big wigs were like "We can do season 9, right? " Right now they are running on all momentum and no direction or vision and if they didn’t have those they should have stopped for a bit till they got them.
I agree. I would happily pay for a movie ticket to watch something that had the spirit and intelligence of Logan or Joker, but I doubt that’s going to happen anytime soon. I’m tired of having my intelligence insulted.
It’s not superhero fatigue. That’s dumb.
All they need is an actual good movie for it to be the biggest marvel movie in a long time.
The fatigue comes from boiling it down to a formula they kept repeating instead of allowing for talent to have their own voice.
Exactly. They stopped making good movies.
Well, in this one the talent had a big hand in bringing this whole movie together, didn’t they? RR helped write it, he executive produced it, his production company, Maximum effort is producing it. His chosen yes-man director is directing. I work in the production world, he’s a major creative power.
Nah, there’s definitely an element of fatigue. I used to watch superhero movies pretty religiously, even renting movies I missed before watching the new avengers flick. I even went to see Infinity War day one, and it was such a shock that I remember sitting in the car in silence on the way home (though I did cue up Snow in Summer from the NieR soundtrack… IYKYK). After Endgame, though… It was like a switch flipped. I had just watched this big, amazing payoff film that celebrated nearly a decade of cinema, had highs and lows, I watched actors and characters I had followed for years giving their goodbyes… It was a big, emotional moment, and the feeling I had afterwards was like the end of Thanksgiving dinner where you’ve finished your slice of pie and are enjoying the warm and fuzzy feelings. In other words, I was full.
So when Marvel kept producing more movies at the same pace as before, it was like the end of Thanksgiving dinner, except now the host is starting to bring out another pie and putting a slice in front of me, and now I’m side-eyeing it and trying to find a polite excuse to say no and go the fuck home.
Infinity War and Endgame are arguably their last real good movies. There’s a couple others, but that’s when they really committed to The Formula and lost quality.
Yeah, I won’t deny the quality has gone down, too. Marvel’s biggest mistake was thinking they could keep the gravy train rolling past endgame. They SHOULD have let it rest and given the creatives some time to cook and plan a new arc, but instead they pushed forward before they were ready and are paying dearly for it.
It’s the same damn mistake they made with the star wars sequel trilogy–if they had sat on it for a year or two, hashed out a coherent overarching plot, and let it cook, we would’ve gotten something better than “Somehow, Palpatine returned.” Hell, if they needed something immediately, they could have brought in Timothy Zahn to adapt the Thrawn books. Instead they went off half-cocked and gave us a barely-coherent retread of the original trilogy.
100% agree. You said it perfectly
it’s almost like they told their saga that took 10 years but forgot to tell the studio. the story ended its like a TV show that kept going like we all know scrubs ended at season 8 but the big wigs were like "We can do season 9, right? " Right now they are running on all momentum and no direction or vision and if they didn’t have those they should have stopped for a bit till they got them.
I agree. I would happily pay for a movie ticket to watch something that had the spirit and intelligence of Logan or Joker, but I doubt that’s going to happen anytime soon. I’m tired of having my intelligence insulted.