• @[email protected]
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    786 months ago

    Most people engaged in politics have likely made up their mind, and anyone sufficiently disengaged will vote for the incumbent and be done with it. Biden is the incumbent, and they’re not going to put forth a progressive.

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      6 months ago

      Yeah

      The race is not people deciding between Biden and Trump, but people on both sides who have made up their minds deciding whether or not to vote

      Coincidentally, there is an enormous effort to paint voting as not worthwhile, and Biden as not good enough to be worthwhile bothering to vote for, aimed at left wing voters

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      446 months ago

      Anyone sufficiently disengaged with Biden might just NOT vote. And then Trump wins. Heres a better framing of the question. Could anyone generate more voter disengagement than Biden?

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        206 months ago

        This is my worry too. They’re not going to switch to trump, they’ll either skip it or vote 3rd party.

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        Those people are still voting blue. The issue is getting everyone else on board. “Vote blue no matter who” can’t carry the election entirely on its own and never could. 2020 was won on razor margins.

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          We need to get rid of the electoral college.

          Biden beat Trump by 7 million votes. That it was “razor thin” is because of the electoral college.

          Hillary lost to Trump despite winning the popular vote by 3 million because of the electoral college.

          Gore lost because of Florida’s electoral college (and all the fuckery there) despite winning the popular vote by 0.5million.

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            116 months ago

            Small correction: after numerous recounts, it was proven decidedly that Gore had won in FL. However, the corrupt Supreme Court decided that since the media (Fox News) had already called the election for Dubya, that it would pose too much risk to our democratic process to overturn the results to the correct outcome.

            This is most amusing given the context of Jan 6 and the corrupt court’s opinions on that matter, but here we are.

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            I strongly agree with you but that’s not going to change the fact that we still have to contend with the EC this election cycle.

            Edit: also gore didn’t lose by either metric he just didn’t stick it out for the recount

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            It would be enough to make an amendment so that the shape of electoral districts must be convex. This would make gerrymandering impossible.

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      76 months ago

      It’s pretty likely that a lot of those disengaged will not vote for Biden because they know he’s too old

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      56 months ago

      they’re not going to put forth a progressive.

      The corporate media would shred a real progressive but Biden is a lot more progressive leaning than I ever thought he would be.

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        66 months ago

        Yeah, that’s part of why I’m so suspicious of this massive “Biden needs to be replaced” push. We’re not getting better policy out of it, and I seriously doubt it’ll hurt Trump’s odds at re-election, so why is everyone so keen on it at this stage? The time to replace him was months ago.

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        86 months ago

        Who are these undecided voters? I haven’t met one single undecided voter in the past 8 or more years. Maybe that’s geography, but, jeez…

        I feel that turnout is a far bigger factor.

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          some of them are people like me who was forced to accept inescapable student loan debt (created by biden in 2005) due to don’t ask don’t tell blocking gays from getting the gi bill (supported by biden in 1993); couldn’t sponsor their life partner to allow them to stay in this country because biden et al. voted for doma in 1996; denied jobs because because biden advocated for the same thing executive order 10450 did until 2012; will lose a new job because of biden’s support for banning tiktok in january of 2025; and can’t get a new gig job because biden is blocking truly affordable EV’s from this country for the foreseeable future.

          it’s got nothing to do with project 2025 nor trump being a giant douchebag; it’s about trying to convince myself to vote for someone with a conservative history that has and will fuck up my life and then pretending that he’s the most progressive president ever just to get votes while simultaneously enabling genocide’s, apartheid’s and segregationists as biden has done several times over in the last 51 years.

          i need a reason to vote for him because; no matter how shitty trump or how badly he wants to steamroll over minorities (which biden has already done), he’s never fucked with my life to anywhere near the extent that biden has and i survived most of those 51 years at a time when both parties, plus moderates, plus family wanted to lock people like me up and throw away the key, so project 2025 doesn’t scare me and trump doesn’t have enough time to screw with my life to the same extent that biden did to people like me in one more term.

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      A travesty then, considering polling consistently shows progressives would wallop Trump, and the Dems claim that democracy is on the line this election. We could do so much better, but absolutely will not at the peril of capital.