The Democratic Socialists of America pulled its endorsement of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York this week, accusing the progressive congresswoman of being insufficiently supportive of the Palestinian cause and efforts to end the war in Gaza…

Her approach has increasingly strained her relationship with some of the left’s most strident critics of Israel. When she rallied last month in the Bronx with Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Jamaal Bowman, dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators angry over her endorsement of Mr. Biden chanted “You’re a fraud, A.O.C.”

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    184 months ago

    You just can’t help yourself can you? A year of having a wildly mistaken understanding of the political calculus around Joe Biden and what it takes for Democrats to win, putting out a view point and a particular rhetoric that was objectively helping Trump to victory; then the most minor of admonitions on your part that you were wildly in the wrong. But obviously zero introspection on your part as to why you were in the wrong. Have you considered why you were so wildly in the wrong as long as you were, to the point of basically costing the Democrats the ability to win any house of power in 2024?

    We’re talking about AOC and the DSA, and I’m making some specific points about how to wield political power and what it takes to stay “in” power when the “team” you are on would rather not have you. You, like some one who has no fucking clue what they are talking about, decide to make it personal and just go on the attack. Brother. You have the political calculus of a naked mole rat. Like, the beliefs you have around politics aren’t useful for predicting what will happen.

    You and many others here seem have attached your identity to a specific political team. And when that team gets criticized, you imagine yourself to be personally under attack. You (and many others here) can’t separate your identities. Maybe its because you are older, and haven’t spent the time to self-actualize and have that independent identity; maybe you are younger and haven’t had the opportunity. Maybe you have no real experience in politics or campaigning or institution building. Maybe you’ve never read on or studied power, how it manifests, and how it is wielded to great or little effect. Regardless, you obviously have significant work to do to train your understanding of the world to the point where the beliefs and things you think predict future states of the world, which, in my personal belief system, is the entire point.

    I put probably close to 3000 volunteer hours into squad/ squad adjacent campaigns. I’ve run political organizations, for years. I’ve worked directly with politicians as an outside organization. If you, as a political organization, can’t withhold your endorsement/ power: you have none. And when you are charged with managing/ growing/ building a movement; building power is your entire job. If AOC isn’t going to be on the right side of DSA, and they endorse her anyways, the DSA loses all power in the relationship and suffers (likely falls apart) as an organization.

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        144 months ago

        This is literally the identical rhetoric you used for almost a year to argue that we shouldn’t question Biden’s fitness for office.

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            that would be alleviated somewhat by choosing another candidate now.

            See, what someone with an informed political calculus would have done, would have been to support criticism of the incumbent and demand a proper competitive primary 10 months ago while we still had lots and lots of time and bandwidth for it.

            If your views only make sense looking backwards, your views don’t make sense.

            You should really consider listening to those whose views predict future states of the world, and weighting their opinions more highly than your own, until you’ve adjusted your calculus sufficiently such that your views predict future states of the world.

            Basically, you were wrong, are wrong, and will continue to be wrong until you begin to adjust your thinking.

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                114 months ago

                My view changed because the information available to me changed. I called heads and it was tails. I fucked up. Y

                Its so much more than that. Its that you had a wildly wrong opinion, an opinion that functionally hurt our ability to stop Trump. You had all the information you needed to make the right assessment, but your entire goal with your rhetoric was to shut down any kind of conversation that would allow for that right assessment to be made. It was fucking disgusting and it still is.

                If your views only make sense looking backwards, your views don’t make sense.

                What it means, is that if your views only predict previous states of the universe but don’t generalize to new states of the universe, we should ignore you.

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                84 months ago

                My view changed because the information available to me changed. I called heads and it was tails. I fucked up.

                Yes, you did. Repeatedly and loudly, while calling everyone who was absolutely right fascists.

                Just like you’re doing now.

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              44 months ago

              Becasue “someone with an informed political calculus would have chosen to not vote at all, right?

              How can you say shit like this, and then suggest that not voting will bring change?