It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.
This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.
Are they going to force Biden to run against his will or what is the plan here? If Biden dies, are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
The thing is, it’s not the Democratic Party replacing Biden anymore. Biden has willfully stepped down, and given his support to Harris. To put it another way, Biden is no longer “being replaced”.
But, that may not matter in the long run. The question now is when/if Republicans take this to court, and whether or not the judge decides to hear the case or not and how long that will take.
As far as I know, judges have historically decided not to pursue a case if it would impede the election process (e.g., gerrymandered district ruled illegal, but still used because not enough time to redraw maps). I would like to hope that the Democratic Party gets the same curtsy in this case.
However, I feel that right now given the current political climate, and the current way judges have been deciding in favor of the Republican agenda, this may not be the case and the new candidate will be tied up in legal tape to be able to campaign properly. The Republicans will cease upon this opportunity and use it against the Democratic Party to make them look weak and unable to do anything they say they will do. And to be honest, they won’t be wrong.
Democrats are their own worst enemy, and their hubris will be to all of our detriment.
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
I think the fact that the party was willing to do this says a lot. They’ve already avoided the worst possible option, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
It’s not going to be perfect. It’s not going to even inspire people for the next 4 years. What it will do is get us to January where we, hopefully can rightfully calibrate like we should have in 2020. No matter the winner, THIS DOES NOT END IN NOVEMEBER. Remember that.
Yeah it was going to be impossible to properly move forward from this. There would be too much media coverage and division and lingering questions.
Now though, we have a real opportunity to unify, and make several arguments to voters – Democrats listened and picked a younger candidate. We can also flip the script on candidate age now
Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it’s got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.
Smaller country, less money involved… but here’s hoping.
Edit: I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that’s still the reality of them. Regardless, we’ll have to do things faster based on circumstances.
France put together a winning left coalition in 2 weeks.
How does the US being a bigger, wealthier, country mean we are weaker? I’m so tired of these arguments about what we can’t do. If Biden dropped out 2 weeks before November it would be a disaster. As it is, he is listening to the legitimate concerns of the people.
Well, the US is literally the second-most populous electoral democracy and the third-most populous country in the world, so I say we’ll need some time.
The largest democracy takes around two months of campaigning and about six weeks for voting.
Population scales proportionately for both the number of voters and for number of people working on a campaign and number of people working at polling stations on election day.
And let’s be honest, it’s only a small number of states that Presidential campaigns actually focus on because of that whole Electoral College thing.
It’s just the US is accustomed to a long election cycle, that’s all. It’s not a necessity. It may not actually be a good thing as it allows time for bad actors to construct false narratives. Seems to just favour personality over policy.
How does AOC know what the elites want? Does she spend a lot of time having conversations with the elites about which direction they want politics to go?
She says she was in those conversations with high profile Democrats who have expressed more concerns about their donors rather than about their constituents.
They’re clearly trying to win if they got so scared about polls they strong-armed Biden into resigning. The panic has pretty clearly set in. We’ll see if this works or not.
I abhor Gavin Newsome and would only vote for him to replace Trump. There are almost zero things Gavin Newsome can do that any other candidate can do better. He’s a slimy, adulterous predator who is more concerned with being remembered than doing something memorable.
I don’t think you realize how much of a stink “California Governor” has in middle America.
It’s bullshit. We should all be so lucky to live in a place like California, but fox News Propaganda has been working for decades convincing disengaged voters that Cali is a hellscape.
I think Newsom would make a fantastic President, but I am not convinced he has the best chance to win.
Harris actually sounds pretty good when she’s talking politics. Her tough on crime past can give her a boost with moderates and centrists as well. She just has the weirdest mannerisms when trying to relate to people.
Manchin has obvious appeal to centrists and moderates. His biggest issue is his opposition to climate change action. But other than that he’d be considered liberal by '90s standards.
Newsom needs to go through the primary process to see if he can appeal to swing state voters. Because I’m not convinced he can win those margin votes that he needs.
Manchin is running as an independent Senator in 2024. Giving him the nom would be the biggest “fuck you” to their voters.
Harris is the only logical choice. She’s not the best candidate but she can form coherent sentences and isnt surprising voters any more than Biden dropping.
A lot of people just felt like it was time to trade in their Not Trump for a newer model Not Trump. Sure there were other Not Trumps we could’ve gone with a year ago, but those Not Trumps are no longer on the market. So we’re going with the best available Not Trump right now.
This Not Trump isn’t in mint condition (but none of them are), but it has much better mileage and it has more acceleration and a better top speed.
As is the case with all Not Trumps this one is a better choice than Trump. Obviously.
Yeah, of course he’s going to endorse her. Still doesn’t mean that delegates don’t decide after an open convention. If she can show the delegates she has what it takes then she earns it.
I don’t see it that way at all. This seems like a great way to increase their votes. It’s not like they are going to lose voters who were going to vote Biden to begin with.
Yeah the reality is that Biden was 95% going to lose to Trump. Picking a new person is usially a huge risk, but in this case there wasn’t much to lose.
As things stand right now, Trumps chances of winning just went down a bit. Worst case, they pick someone terrible with similar (non-)chances to Biden. Best case, they pick someone who wins.
They’ve 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.
You’ve posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link…
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can’t find anything truthful, they’ll fabricate it with ease. “Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can’t be president.”
The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can’t use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the “ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense” narrative that will be sure to be floated.
They’ll do all that no matter what. They already did that to Kamala Harris, in the last election. I’m sure they tried really hard to dig up shit on her but had to resort to making up shit.
Basically all they fabricated was the same weak-ass birther bullshit they did to Obama (odd how it’s only non-white people they use that on, isn’t it?) which is now being spread again on Facebook as we speak.
Intentionally mispronouncing her name, which they re-hashed in the RNC convention. Her name is literally consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel, not really hard to say so they just sound like morons when they do that.
I guess they don’t like how she laughs?
They lost that election. Their base likes the racist dog-whistles, but those are votes they have no matter what. Doing the same bullshit they did before loses them independents.
Remember how a lot of Republicans voted for Nikki Haley even after she dropped out of the primary? It wasn’t a love for Nikki Haley, it was a dislike for Trump that motivated Republicans to vote for Nikki Haley in the primaries. After she dropped out. So there’s even Republicans that are open to voting for a woman with a South Asian background that the MAGAs like to intentionally mispronouncing her name.
I think that’s possible, but I think it was all but guaranteed that anyone who didn’t want the repubs to win would have been crying in November if Biden hadn’t dropped out.
If, and that’s a big if, they choose to field a moderately likeable replacement, there’s a chance they can actually re-energize the campaign and voters and get a big boost with a fresh face. That’s a big if though.
Yes they can. This is the right choice. Democrats will be more energized than ever now. Hopeful they keep it open to the delegates to vote at the convention after a few people step forward.
That doesn’t mean they won’t tie this up in the courts I’ve a bogus legal theory that the Supreme Court will turn into a reality… Mark my words, unless Biden packs the court, this one is on Clarence Thomas’s desk stat
Biden isn’t even the nominee yet that’s one of the reasons it was important this happened before the DNC. Before the nomination this is no official presidential candidate, ol’ Mikey Poo-Bear is yaking out of his ass. Mike even said “some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions”, he’s just posturing for attention. No more threatening than a bantam rooster when you walk in his coup.
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Other countries have whole campaign seasons that are shorter. We’ve just gotten used to multi-year campaigns and never-ending reelection efforts. It wasn’t always like this, and I don’t think it’s good for us long-term.
Other countries have pulled out elections in two weeks. The us may not have that experience though. The campaign however had been directed at his opponent’s well known incompetence and malice. That may be the advantage of divisive politics.
They have the media bomb of “no incumbent” leading the headlines. This is one of the only media maneuvers that would change the conversation from “That Trump overcame assassination and adversity!” At this point a major shift was needed.
The year and a half back log of memes against Biden that right wing contractors have saved up are now worthless. The right will have 3 months to make a cohesive media smear campaign (which they can do against the right candidate) but it will require lots of downtime as the high paid think tanks make astroturf.
Plenty of other countries’ electoral campaigns advance far faster than Americans expect theirs to move, and US media is talking about politics all the damn time. If the Dems don’t do a massive screw up somehow, I think they’ll find out that switching the candidate will be far easier than they were expecting.
Lol… From a foreigner this is hilarious. Some of you still want to support the guy that tried disrupt the governmental process… He called the frigging election investigator FFS. You can listen to him tell her how 'her job is the most important in The country rn… and talk at length about how fraud will be found.
People that want trump want a king.
Plain and simple.
Jesus, I hope they can piece a campaign together in the few remaining months
It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.
This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.
This is the perfect opportunity to do that! But I have absolutely zero faith in them actually doing that.
But maybe I’ve become jaded in my age with politics. Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.
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Are they going to force Biden to run against his will or what is the plan here? If Biden dies, are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
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Yeah this was the point all along
Dems haven’t even officially nominated anyone yet, dont think the republicans would get very far with that stunt
Who’s going to stop them? The Supreme Court?
If you think they’re that off the rails then they don’t need this as a premise to challenge Democrats in the first place.
The thing is, it’s not the Democratic Party replacing Biden anymore. Biden has willfully stepped down, and given his support to Harris. To put it another way, Biden is no longer “being replaced”.
But, that may not matter in the long run. The question now is when/if Republicans take this to court, and whether or not the judge decides to hear the case or not and how long that will take.
As far as I know, judges have historically decided not to pursue a case if it would impede the election process (e.g., gerrymandered district ruled illegal, but still used because not enough time to redraw maps). I would like to hope that the Democratic Party gets the same curtsy in this case.
However, I feel that right now given the current political climate, and the current way judges have been deciding in favor of the Republican agenda, this may not be the case and the new candidate will be tied up in legal tape to be able to campaign properly. The Republicans will cease upon this opportunity and use it against the Democratic Party to make them look weak and unable to do anything they say they will do. And to be honest, they won’t be wrong.
Democrats are their own worst enemy, and their hubris will be to all of our detriment.
https://youtu.be/-lm0Cy8gwvk
You can tell it’s a good move when the GOP starts pulling this shit.
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Her turn 2.0 watch out yall here comes Hillary! /$
Lol seriously.
Also “Her Turn” as a campaign slogan was so bad.
I think the fact that the party was willing to do this says a lot. They’ve already avoided the worst possible option, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
But this is the DNC…
Booo the DNC just made an unprecedented pivot which the people actually wanted.
Nervously optimistic, but I’ve been hurt before
It’s not going to be perfect. It’s not going to even inspire people for the next 4 years. What it will do is get us to January where we, hopefully can rightfully calibrate like we should have in 2020. No matter the winner, THIS DOES NOT END IN NOVEMEBER. Remember that.
Have you met the DNC?
Was Bidens image really that bad outside of these internet circles?
Yes.
Well Rs certainly hated his guts for totally real reasons
Yeah it was going to be impossible to properly move forward from this. There would be too much media coverage and division and lingering questions.
Now though, we have a real opportunity to unify, and make several arguments to voters – Democrats listened and picked a younger candidate. We can also flip the script on candidate age now
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Biden was going to lose to Trump and was dragging other Democrats down with him in the polls. What more did you need?
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Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it’s got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.
The UK Labour Party won a landslide election on 6 weeks notice
Smaller country, less money involved… but here’s hoping.
Edit: I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that’s still the reality of them. Regardless, we’ll have to do things faster based on circumstances.
France put together a winning left coalition in 2 weeks.
How does the US being a bigger, wealthier, country mean we are weaker? I’m so tired of these arguments about what we can’t do. If Biden dropped out 2 weeks before November it would be a disaster. As it is, he is listening to the legitimate concerns of the people.
Well, the US is literally the second-most populous electoral democracy and the third-most populous country in the world, so I say we’ll need some time.
The largest democracy takes around two months of campaigning and about six weeks for voting.
Population scales proportionately for both the number of voters and for number of people working on a campaign and number of people working at polling stations on election day.
And let’s be honest, it’s only a small number of states that Presidential campaigns actually focus on because of that whole Electoral College thing.
It’s just the US is accustomed to a long election cycle, that’s all. It’s not a necessity. It may not actually be a good thing as it allows time for bad actors to construct false narratives. Seems to just favour personality over policy.
Hear hear!
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Just FYI, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez warned people that elite donors have been wanting Harris and Biden both off the ticket.. You are free to hold skepticism about Harris’ viability as presidential nominee, but do note that it is in line with the donor class’ rhetoric.
How does AOC know what the elites want? Does she spend a lot of time having conversations with the elites about which direction they want politics to go?
She says she was in those conversations with high profile Democrats who have expressed more concerns about their donors rather than about their constituents.
I voted for President Not Trump twice, I’m very much motivated to vote for President Not Trump a third time.
Newsom is the only option with any chance of winning, but democrats aren’t even trying to win this election.
They’re clearly trying to win if they got so scared about polls they strong-armed Biden into resigning. The panic has pretty clearly set in. We’ll see if this works or not.
They’re ‘trying to win’ just like they were in 2016. We need a massive change in party leadership.
I abhor Gavin Newsome and would only vote for him to replace Trump. There are almost zero things Gavin Newsome can do that any other candidate can do better. He’s a slimy, adulterous predator who is more concerned with being remembered than doing something memorable.
I don’t think you realize how much of a stink “California Governor” has in middle America.
It’s bullshit. We should all be so lucky to live in a place like California, but fox News Propaganda has been working for decades convincing disengaged voters that Cali is a hellscape.
I think Newsom would make a fantastic President, but I am not convinced he has the best chance to win.
Just about anyone can beat Trump. Now that we don’t have a senile old man holding us back, we’ll be fine.
Harris or Manchin.
Harris actually sounds pretty good when she’s talking politics. Her tough on crime past can give her a boost with moderates and centrists as well. She just has the weirdest mannerisms when trying to relate to people.
Manchin has obvious appeal to centrists and moderates. His biggest issue is his opposition to climate change action. But other than that he’d be considered liberal by '90s standards.
Newsom needs to go through the primary process to see if he can appeal to swing state voters. Because I’m not convinced he can win those margin votes that he needs.
Manchin? He’s basically a Republican. He just hasn’t kissed Trumps ring. Besides he’s declared himself an “independent.”
Manchin is a lot closer to a Democrat than a Republican. A LOT closer.
Manchin is running as an independent Senator in 2024. Giving him the nom would be the biggest “fuck you” to their voters.
Harris is the only logical choice. She’s not the best candidate but she can form coherent sentences and isnt surprising voters any more than Biden dropping.
Manchin might be the one candidate where I leave the box unchecked.
Who cares if it’s Kamala? She’s not senile, she’s not Genocide Joe, and she’s not an unhinged fascist. She’s a shoe-in.
So the same thing that’s been said to get people to vote for Biden in the first place?
If the Biden campaign was mostly running on “Not Trump,” anyone they replace him with will also not be Trump.
A lot of people just felt like it was time to trade in their Not Trump for a newer model Not Trump. Sure there were other Not Trumps we could’ve gone with a year ago, but those Not Trumps are no longer on the market. So we’re going with the best available Not Trump right now.
This Not Trump isn’t in mint condition (but none of them are), but it has much better mileage and it has more acceleration and a better top speed.
As is the case with all Not Trumps this one is a better choice than Trump. Obviously.
Yeah, of course he’s going to endorse her. Still doesn’t mean that delegates don’t decide after an open convention. If she can show the delegates she has what it takes then she earns it.
Yeah a Humphrey style convention is always a good idea. /s
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I don’t see it that way at all. This seems like a great way to increase their votes. It’s not like they are going to lose voters who were going to vote Biden to begin with.
Plus whatever strategy repubs were going to use to smear Biden is up in smoke.
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Right. That’s obviously the whole point.
Yeah the reality is that Biden was 95% going to lose to Trump. Picking a new person is usially a huge risk, but in this case there wasn’t much to lose.
As things stand right now, Trumps chances of winning just went down a bit. Worst case, they pick someone terrible with similar (non-)chances to Biden. Best case, they pick someone who wins.
They’ve 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.
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You’ve posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link…
From the article you linked to:
Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can’t find anything truthful, they’ll fabricate it with ease. “Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can’t be president.”
The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can’t use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the “ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense” narrative that will be sure to be floated.
They’ll do all that no matter what. They already did that to Kamala Harris, in the last election. I’m sure they tried really hard to dig up shit on her but had to resort to making up shit.
Basically all they fabricated was the same weak-ass birther bullshit they did to Obama (odd how it’s only non-white people they use that on, isn’t it?) which is now being spread again on Facebook as we speak.
Intentionally mispronouncing her name, which they re-hashed in the RNC convention. Her name is literally consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel-consonent-vowel, not really hard to say so they just sound like morons when they do that.
I guess they don’t like how she laughs?
They lost that election. Their base likes the racist dog-whistles, but those are votes they have no matter what. Doing the same bullshit they did before loses them independents.
Remember how a lot of Republicans voted for Nikki Haley even after she dropped out of the primary? It wasn’t a love for Nikki Haley, it was a dislike for Trump that motivated Republicans to vote for Nikki Haley in the primaries. After she dropped out. So there’s even Republicans that are open to voting for a woman with a South Asian background that the MAGAs like to intentionally mispronouncing her name.
This only indicates the GOP does not want to be running against Kamala Harris.
This is a good sign.
Boooo
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Versus ignoring the writing on the wall, doing nothing, and still crying in November?
I think that’s possible, but I think it was all but guaranteed that anyone who didn’t want the repubs to win would have been crying in November if Biden hadn’t dropped out.
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I sincerely hope I’m wrong too.
Boooooo. I’ll take my chances!
If, and that’s a big if, they choose to field a moderately likeable replacement, there’s a chance they can actually re-energize the campaign and voters and get a big boost with a fresh face. That’s a big if though.
They’ll probably pick Clinton to run again and she’ll still probably be making references to Pokémon Go to pull in the youth vote.
Big Gretch. Trump gets out of line like normal, she’ll give him a little shlap and put him in his place.
She would be my choice as well, but she just announced she wouldn’t.
Yes they can. This is the right choice. Democrats will be more energized than ever now. Hopeful they keep it open to the delegates to vote at the convention after a few people step forward.
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Mike Johnson is (as usual) full of shit. The DNC is still a month away and not a single state ballot deadline has passed.
That doesn’t mean they won’t tie this up in the courts I’ve a bogus legal theory that the Supreme Court will turn into a reality… Mark my words, unless Biden packs the court, this one is on Clarence Thomas’s desk stat
Saving this comment for later.
Minus 5 votes, wonder why
I didn’t downvote you but it may be because the DNC hasn’t even happened yet.
How do you plan to recalibrate your BS meter after seeing how you were wrong here?
By just admitting I was wrong and that didn’t happen? Not that hard
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No one can “make biden run”. If he died tomorrow we are suppose to vote for a literal corpse? Boooo
Biden isn’t even the nominee yet that’s one of the reasons it was important this happened before the DNC. Before the nomination this is no official presidential candidate, ol’ Mikey Poo-Bear is yaking out of his ass. Mike even said “some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions”, he’s just posturing for attention. No more threatening than a bantam rooster when you walk in his coup.
Johnson is just threatening. He has no power over nominees.
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Other countries have whole campaign seasons that are shorter. We’ve just gotten used to multi-year campaigns and never-ending reelection efforts. It wasn’t always like this, and I don’t think it’s good for us long-term.
Other countries have pulled out elections in two weeks. The us may not have that experience though. The campaign however had been directed at his opponent’s well known incompetence and malice. That may be the advantage of divisive politics.
They have the media bomb of “no incumbent” leading the headlines. This is one of the only media maneuvers that would change the conversation from “That Trump overcame assassination and adversity!” At this point a major shift was needed.
The year and a half back log of memes against Biden that right wing contractors have saved up are now worthless. The right will have 3 months to make a cohesive media smear campaign (which they can do against the right candidate) but it will require lots of downtime as the high paid think tanks make astroturf.
The fact that Republican troll farms have to now spend time coming up with new material puts a small smile on my face.
They will move swiftly though, while the Democrats are used to being sluggish, so vigilance is in order.
Plenty of other countries’ electoral campaigns advance far faster than Americans expect theirs to move, and US media is talking about politics all the damn time. If the Dems don’t do a massive screw up somehow, I think they’ll find out that switching the candidate will be far easier than they were expecting.
I’m afraid that cancer may have already metastasized.
This seems like a non issue.
Lol… From a foreigner this is hilarious. Some of you still want to support the guy that tried disrupt the governmental process… He called the frigging election investigator FFS. You can listen to him tell her how 'her job is the most important in The country rn… and talk at length about how fraud will be found.
People that want trump want a king. Plain and simple.
Boooo the campaign will be better than what they had in store for biden.
That cuts both ways. The GOP also has to pivot from “Biden is too old!” to “Trump is NOT too old” in the few remaining months.
It’s the same campaign, still has half the ticket on it.