If you have two instruments playing the same tune, they’re synchronised. You can keep them in sync, even when the tune changes, as long as it changes in the same way for both instruments.
I don’t know how else you’d “synchronise differently”?
You’ve changed the tone. It’s a new thing. A different thing playing.
Yet at no point were the instruments out of sync.
I’m not arguing psychedelics don’t desync the brain (I feel the do sort of retune the instrument as it were, only for it to be better able to sync with others), I’m arguing you can stay in sync while changing what is that is in sync.
Yeah, no, that makes no sense, furthering my point that you can’t. The instruments are what is in sync. Not the music. Tone doesn’t matter. If the instruments remain in the same synchronization, then they are just still synchronized
the operation or activity of two or more things at the same time or rate.
The instruments are “in sync” because of what is being played on them, not from the mere fact of being musical instruments. To get two instruments being played in sync, you’d need two (or one very skilled) musicist to play them. I couldn’t play in sync with anyone, I wouldn’t know how.
Resolve a debate in a separate sub-thread of the comment you replied to.
When two people play instruments, and they’re playing at the same tempo (although this is prolly a simplification), are they not in sync at that point?
Or would they not?
No, I’m no musical genius, or even an amateur, it’s one of mh worst subjects, musical theory, but it seems to me that if we were to use the analogy of music to psychedelics, I think it would be a bit disingenuous to say the brain desyncs, unless it’s in a similar way as with a phase shift in music, but since that sort of still sounds good, wouldn’t we be able to argue phase music is still “in sync”?
Synchronisation has a lot of meanings depending on context. Biology, neurobiology, music, physics, friggin timetables.
So yeah, your expertise in music is of little use except to improve this analogy. I feel like you can’t comment on the original topic as much. Psychedelics and their pharmacology and neuropsychiatric effects.
Ok. Based on what? Definitely not that I cultivate and grow psilocybin. Couldn’t be that. Nor could it be that I make DMT as well. Definitely wouldn’t inform me on this topic at all. Moreover, I’m probably awful at all that music stuff, too. Shit, what could a faceless, nameless stranger on the internet know about anything? Probably not much.
Based on your very lackluster understanding of their effects.
“That I make DMT”
Lol, pretend harder kiddo. Yeah, most organisms do in fact make DMT, but you’re talking about EXTRACTING DMT from plant-material which has enough alkaloids for it to be worth it. So what you’re pretending to be some arcane drug knowledge is you googling “easiest highs” and trying some of the simpler guides like rice-tek and perhaps an exctraction of either some reeds you collected or a small bag of imported plant material. I’m of the people who wrote those guides.
You can equivocate all you want, but you’re still dodging the fucking question about the subject. No point in trying to pretend to be an expert without any knowledge. It just shows people that you’re a pretentious teen.
Semantics are hard.
They’re not hard, they’re tough in a different way.
To be honest I hope my comment helps people understand the nature of psychedelics. Think of it as tl:dr
Can something synchronize in a different way without first desynchronizing?
I’d say yes.
If you have two instruments playing the same tune, they’re synchronised. You can keep them in sync, even when the tune changes, as long as it changes in the same way for both instruments.
That is still the same two instruments in sync. There was not a new resynchronization
They’re synchronising on a different wave length.
I don’t know how else you’d “synchronise differently”?
You’ve changed the tone. It’s a new thing. A different thing playing.
Yet at no point were the instruments out of sync.
I’m not arguing psychedelics don’t desync the brain (I feel the do sort of retune the instrument as it were, only for it to be better able to sync with others), I’m arguing you can stay in sync while changing what is that is in sync.
Yeah, no, that makes no sense, furthering my point that you can’t. The instruments are what is in sync. Not the music. Tone doesn’t matter. If the instruments remain in the same synchronization, then they are just still synchronized
The instruments are “in sync” because of what is being played on them, not from the mere fact of being musical instruments. To get two instruments being played in sync, you’d need two (or one very skilled) musicist to play them. I couldn’t play in sync with anyone, I wouldn’t know how.
We’re not going to come to an agreement man, I’m bowing out
Wow. Now explain poly-rhythms and asyncopated comping. You sound like a musical genius. /s
Yeah no, I’m not too shabby on musical theory.
Resolve a debate in a separate sub-thread of the comment you replied to.
When two people play instruments, and they’re playing at the same tempo (although this is prolly a simplification), are they not in sync at that point?
Or would they not?
No, I’m no musical genius, or even an amateur, it’s one of mh worst subjects, musical theory, but it seems to me that if we were to use the analogy of music to psychedelics, I think it would be a bit disingenuous to say the brain desyncs, unless it’s in a similar way as with a phase shift in music, but since that sort of still sounds good, wouldn’t we be able to argue phase music is still “in sync”?
Synchronisation has a lot of meanings depending on context. Biology, neurobiology, music, physics, friggin timetables.
So yeah, your expertise in music is of little use except to improve this analogy. I feel like you can’t comment on the original topic as much. Psychedelics and their pharmacology and neuropsychiatric effects.
I’ll be pleased to be proved wrong though.
Ok. Based on what? Definitely not that I cultivate and grow psilocybin. Couldn’t be that. Nor could it be that I make DMT as well. Definitely wouldn’t inform me on this topic at all. Moreover, I’m probably awful at all that music stuff, too. Shit, what could a faceless, nameless stranger on the internet know about anything? Probably not much.
You win.
Based on your very lackluster understanding of their effects.
“That I make DMT”
Lol, pretend harder kiddo. Yeah, most organisms do in fact make DMT, but you’re talking about EXTRACTING DMT from plant-material which has enough alkaloids for it to be worth it. So what you’re pretending to be some arcane drug knowledge is you googling “easiest highs” and trying some of the simpler guides like rice-tek and perhaps an exctraction of either some reeds you collected or a small bag of imported plant material. I’m of the people who wrote those guides.
You can equivocate all you want, but you’re still dodging the fucking question about the subject. No point in trying to pretend to be an expert without any knowledge. It just shows people that you’re a pretentious teen.
Yep. You’re the super-winner now. Got me.
The signal pathways change