Hell, skip the first two seasons. If someone offered me $1M and I could never watch the first two seasons of TNG ever again, I’d take it without hesitation.
No, not even Measure of a Man. It’s legally and philosophically nonsense.
Really? You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but imo Measure of a Man is an incredible acting showcase and a strong premise to display Federation values. Every time I’ve wanted to get someone into TNG, it’s one of my first recommendations and it usually works. What are your complaints about it?
The whole trial probably should never have happened. Star Fleet implicitly accepted Data’s self determination by accepting his application to the Academy. Plus, if Maddox thought positronic nets weren’t a giant leap in artificial consciousness, why would he be so interested in Data at all?
The legal issues overlap with some of the philosophical issues. There’s a long history of investigation into intelligence and consciousness, and none of it is on display in the episode. It’s not even a very good introduction to the topic.
This is rather important to today’s issues with AI. While I think current AI tech is vastly overhyped, some of the popular arguments against it are just bad.
Right? I’ve always thought delving into the nuance of sentience and the potential legal conundrums posed by dated views and laws in that scope was absolutely peak Trek. It’s about ethics and morality, and figuring out how to do the best you can, and afford sentience the respect that it universally deserves, with the knowledge that you currently have at hand. It’s actually something of a trope in the ST universe. Literally every series in the franchise has at least one “courtroom” episode. While they’re not all great, I think it’s a good tradition to uphold.
FWIW, I think the memes do the character too much credit. Not that he’s badly written; far from it. Rather, he’s a shit warrior who pretends his political ambitions are honorable. Without going into spoilers, there’s a little dialog scene late in DS9 that lays out how the Klingon Empire is not living up to its own values, people like Gowron are the reason, and Gowron himself needs to be gutted yesterday.
My biggest complaint with how the Gowron character was written was his final battle with Worf. He fought honorably with a Bat’leth. From everything we’ve seen about Gowron earlier in his presentation, he should have fought dirty, and with knives.
Just be aware there are some high highs, but also low lows. And some of the lows have aged kiiinda poorly. But overall, I’d say ST is super fun, and also generally holds true to the humanist (sentient-ist…?) vibe that TOS established and that TNG (imo) perfected.
Kelvinverse is just an action movie series though, and it canonically exists as a forked timeline, so you are free to outright ignore those in terms of lore (no not that one) if you want to.
I was gonna say they look like gowron but yours is even more accurate
I keep seeing this guy pop up in memes.
I’ve never seen Star Trek, but like… he makes me want to give it a go
If you do, start with TNG. And maybe even skip the first 3-4 episodes of that and watch them later
Hell, skip the first two seasons. If someone offered me $1M and I could never watch the first two seasons of TNG ever again, I’d take it without hesitation.
No, not even Measure of a Man. It’s legally and philosophically nonsense.
Really? You’re entitled to your opinion, of course, but imo Measure of a Man is an incredible acting showcase and a strong premise to display Federation values. Every time I’ve wanted to get someone into TNG, it’s one of my first recommendations and it usually works. What are your complaints about it?
Legal Eagle covers the legal issues with it:
https://youtu.be/XVjeYW6S8Mo?si=qdE-MT3S3LSbEfxw
The whole trial probably should never have happened. Star Fleet implicitly accepted Data’s self determination by accepting his application to the Academy. Plus, if Maddox thought positronic nets weren’t a giant leap in artificial consciousness, why would he be so interested in Data at all?
The legal issues overlap with some of the philosophical issues. There’s a long history of investigation into intelligence and consciousness, and none of it is on display in the episode. It’s not even a very good introduction to the topic.
This is rather important to today’s issues with AI. While I think current AI tech is vastly overhyped, some of the popular arguments against it are just bad.
Okay but have you considered that watching Picard argue that slavery bad is fun as hell?
Right? I’ve always thought delving into the nuance of sentience and the potential legal conundrums posed by dated views and laws in that scope was absolutely peak Trek. It’s about ethics and morality, and figuring out how to do the best you can, and afford sentience the respect that it universally deserves, with the knowledge that you currently have at hand. It’s actually something of a trope in the ST universe. Literally every series in the franchise has at least one “courtroom” episode. While they’re not all great, I think it’s a good tradition to uphold.
Is there a recommended viewing guide somewhere?
https://www.letswatchstartrek.com/tng-episode-guide/
I am off to sail the seas, it’s a [space] pirate’s life for me!
A blessed voyage
Wait wait wait, deep space 9 all the way! Rewatching now. Still amazing.
Glory to you…and your houssssse
FWIW, I think the memes do the character too much credit. Not that he’s badly written; far from it. Rather, he’s a shit warrior who pretends his political ambitions are honorable. Without going into spoilers, there’s a little dialog scene late in DS9 that lays out how the Klingon Empire is not living up to its own values, people like Gowron are the reason, and Gowron himself needs to be gutted yesterday.
My biggest complaint with how the Gowron character was written was his final battle with Worf. He fought honorably with a Bat’leth. From everything we’ve seen about Gowron earlier in his presentation, he should have fought dirty, and with knives.
Just be aware there are some high highs, but also low lows. And some of the lows have aged kiiinda poorly. But overall, I’d say ST is super fun, and also generally holds true to the humanist (sentient-ist…?) vibe that TOS established and that TNG (imo) perfected.
Kelvinverse is just an action movie series though, and it canonically exists as a forked timeline, so you are free to outright ignore those in terms of lore (no not that one) if you want to.
Glory to you… AND YOUR UTERUS