I went and checked… That’s a mischaracterisation. A lot of people are excited, a lot of people are asking what Lemmy is. Some people are saying it sucks but that’s not the general vibe. There are quite a few people saying they visit both Reddit and Lemmy and enjoy Lemmy a lot more and go there first.
I bet a large number of the negative comments only checked out Lemmy the weeks of the protests. I think their critiques are very accurate for that time period. But I think Lemmy now is a lot better than a month ago and a viable alternative to Reddit.
As long as the masses don’t all flock to just one server, the next time reddit fucks up it’ll be a much softer place to land. The only problem is the niche communities and they’re survivability when transferring over.
This really does feel like the early days of reddit. Where small, niche communities have to just keep plugging along until they hit a self-sustaining number of active users, and I didn’t realize how much I missed that till I came here.
It’s so much more personal. It’s way better to get 20 upvotes and 15 comments on a community of 150 than it is to get 1k upvotes on a community of 125k
I tried to explain this during the tumultuous time to people but most of the reaction I got was ‘it didn’t work perfectly the one time I used it so it’s not actually worth more than hot shit’.
Good, honestly. I personally could do without the type of person to write something off as bad on a single individual interaction with something that has a legitimate reason to not operate 100% at perfect level. It’s childish and I would rather those people stay on reddit and ruin THAT place
No matter the tutorial, written or video, I can never get a revanced version of any app (Sync & YT) working. In the end I just gave up Reddit and got NewPipe for YT.
IDK about Reddit but I’ve been using ReVanced YouTube ane YouTube Music for a while and it works perfectly. Let me know if you need help getting it set up.
Yep, but I’m willing to bet that the dev negotiated something behind the scenes with Reddit to get extra time. If not, he’s probably racking up some serious API costs as Relay is one of the few remaining third-party apps that works without any modifications.
Why would reddit be lenient? Reddit doesn’t want 3rd party money. if they did they would have put out decent rates that 3rd party apps could actually support and would have generated revenue from all the apps. Their goal was to kill them all and they will. The number of people willing to pay $10-12/mo for a reddit 3rd party client that doesn’t allow NSFW posts is going to be tiny.
Relay currently isn’t charging anything so either the devs are footing the API costs or Reddit is giving them an extension. It just seems unlikely that they are just paying Reddit $100k+ a month now for something that probably may not pan out. Like you said, they may not be able to retain many users once they start having to charge $10/month.
I think there’s still 2 broad categories of people who would drop Reddit in a heartbeat, depending on the circumstances.
Those who are stuck to Reddit because that’s where their community exists, and those who just haven’t been able to get over the threshold of understanding how a federated social media ecosystem works and the onboarding process.
The second category can be solved by making it simple enough for your average tech illiterate user to join a server/Lemmy as a whole, and I think the first just needs a large enough impetus to make a move - once communities hit a certain size, they’ll naturally attract more people.
I know for me, I joined Twitter despite not liking the platform because like 90% of the artists I followed on Tumblr left to go there during mass “female-presenting nipples” exodus. If it hadn’t been for those communities migrating, I never would’ve left. And when I left Twitter when the Muskrat bought it (and later left Reddit), I lost all those communities I joined for in the first place. Many of those artists are either on Twitter or Instagram, and that’s it - and I sure as hell want nothing to do with either platform; and the people from those Reddit communities have scattered to the winds or are still there.
One thing I don’t get though for those who are not happy with reddit but continue to use it is why they continue to keep actively participating.
Reddit and Twitter make it easy for people to not need accounts and provide either direct or indirect rss support, and reddit especially makes it easy to lurk on communities without an account through multisubreddit links for a customized feed without needing instances like nitter.
So sense I get is those who keep actively participating and contributing to reddit instead of going accountless and making steps to reduce their footprint there are ones who never were going to leave. And really was just a case of virtue signaling during the height of the protests.
As with many things in life, there’s no one simple reason for this, but I can think of a few factors that probably play into this.
One is that 50% of people are worse than the average person at any given thing, and in this case, I think the 2 relevant things would be tech literacy and concern about things like privacy. As Gen Z has entered the workforce, businesses have apparently begun to express concerns over the lack of tech literacy among applicants, especially when it comes to stuff like desktop software. Which makes sense since Gen Z has grown up in a world where basically everything is app based and on your phone. I’ve worked with highschool-age kids who never had a desktop/laptop in their house growing up. Add to this the average person’s concern on digital privacy and other concerns like the corporate greed that shut down the third party API access - which is basically nonexistent, since many people have trouble caring about something until it personally affects them - and it’s easy to imagine that your average Reddit user, especially lurkers, probably uses Reddit through the official app on their phone and doesn’t even know any other way they potentially could use Reddit. Most of them probably don’t even know what an adblocker is, let alone an RSS feed or something. I believe Reddit themselves said that the people who used third-party apps made up like a fraction of a percentage of the user base, with the next smallest group being those who used the website, and that the majority of people used the official app.
Then you have the force of habit. Habits, once entrenched, are hard to break. People like consistency and are often opposed to changes in their routine, especially ones that don’t have an obviously beneficial aspect to them and ones that will require some amount of effort to change. This is why doomscrolling social media in general is so difficult to stop. You can change platforms, but it takes a conscious effort to choose to stop entirely.
So your average Reddit lurker probably was upset about the change, but since it didn’t personally affect them, they grumbled about it and then went on with their doomscrolling.
Then, you get to the users who actively interact with Reddit, either through posting content or commenting. These are the kinds of people who aren’t going to just stop interacting with the subreddits they’re in and become lurkers, and they have even more reason to be stuck in the habit of using Reddit, because they have the emotional weight/connection to the communities they frequent. These are the kinds of people I was thinking of mainly for my previous comment, because they’re the most likely to stay despite being disgruntled with Reddit’s recent actions. It’s like they’re using Discord even though they think it sucks compared to a similar program because all their friends are on Discord, and all their friends are on Discord because they’re on Discord.
There are also the people who financially depend on social media. People like artists depend on platforms like Reddit because their livelihood depends on them putting their work in front of people’s eyeballs, so they can’t simply leave the big platforms. They might establish themselves on places like Lemmy, but they won’t be able to abandon Reddit simply because that’s the kind of place where the people are.
All of this to say, that basically the tipping point for the mass abandonment of Reddit will only happen when it personally negatively affects the majority of people, or when the better alternatives have a sufficient amount of users/content to make the effort of migrating seem worthwhile. Right now, Reddit just has too much gravity from being established for so long and having such a large userbase to keep your average person from wanting able to leave.
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I went and checked… That’s a mischaracterisation. A lot of people are excited, a lot of people are asking what Lemmy is. Some people are saying it sucks but that’s not the general vibe. There are quite a few people saying they visit both Reddit and Lemmy and enjoy Lemmy a lot more and go there first.
Jives with my own experience, TBH.
I bet a large number of the negative comments only checked out Lemmy the weeks of the protests. I think their critiques are very accurate for that time period. But I think Lemmy now is a lot better than a month ago and a viable alternative to Reddit.
As long as the masses don’t all flock to just one server, the next time reddit fucks up it’ll be a much softer place to land. The only problem is the niche communities and they’re survivability when transferring over.
This really does feel like the early days of reddit. Where small, niche communities have to just keep plugging along until they hit a self-sustaining number of active users, and I didn’t realize how much I missed that till I came here.
It’s so much more personal. It’s way better to get 20 upvotes and 15 comments on a community of 150 than it is to get 1k upvotes on a community of 125k
I tried to explain this during the tumultuous time to people but most of the reaction I got was ‘it didn’t work perfectly the one time I used it so it’s not actually worth more than hot shit’.
Good, honestly. I personally could do without the type of person to write something off as bad on a single individual interaction with something that has a legitimate reason to not operate 100% at perfect level. It’s childish and I would rather those people stay on reddit and ruin THAT place
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They can enjoy the shitty official app
or use patched third party clients
No matter the tutorial, written or video, I can never get a revanced version of any app (Sync & YT) working. In the end I just gave up Reddit and got NewPipe for YT.
IDK about Reddit but I’ve been using ReVanced YouTube ane YouTube Music for a while and it works perfectly. Let me know if you need help getting it set up.
Relay still works for some reason
Pretty sure they are operating at a loss while they roll out a subscription model.
Yep, but I’m willing to bet that the dev negotiated something behind the scenes with Reddit to get extra time. If not, he’s probably racking up some serious API costs as Relay is one of the few remaining third-party apps that works without any modifications.
Why would reddit be lenient? Reddit doesn’t want 3rd party money. if they did they would have put out decent rates that 3rd party apps could actually support and would have generated revenue from all the apps. Their goal was to kill them all and they will. The number of people willing to pay $10-12/mo for a reddit 3rd party client that doesn’t allow NSFW posts is going to be tiny.
Relay currently isn’t charging anything so either the devs are footing the API costs or Reddit is giving them an extension. It just seems unlikely that they are just paying Reddit $100k+ a month now for something that probably may not pan out. Like you said, they may not be able to retain many users once they start having to charge $10/month.
Damn, it’s almost like the people that still reddit are the ones you wouldn’t want here in the first place
Anyone still using reddit is a lost cause at this point. They’ve thrown their lot in with reddit’s changes wholly.
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I think there’s still 2 broad categories of people who would drop Reddit in a heartbeat, depending on the circumstances.
Those who are stuck to Reddit because that’s where their community exists, and those who just haven’t been able to get over the threshold of understanding how a federated social media ecosystem works and the onboarding process.
The second category can be solved by making it simple enough for your average tech illiterate user to join a server/Lemmy as a whole, and I think the first just needs a large enough impetus to make a move - once communities hit a certain size, they’ll naturally attract more people.
I know for me, I joined Twitter despite not liking the platform because like 90% of the artists I followed on Tumblr left to go there during mass “female-presenting nipples” exodus. If it hadn’t been for those communities migrating, I never would’ve left. And when I left Twitter when the Muskrat bought it (and later left Reddit), I lost all those communities I joined for in the first place. Many of those artists are either on Twitter or Instagram, and that’s it - and I sure as hell want nothing to do with either platform; and the people from those Reddit communities have scattered to the winds or are still there.
One thing I don’t get though for those who are not happy with reddit but continue to use it is why they continue to keep actively participating.
Reddit and Twitter make it easy for people to not need accounts and provide either direct or indirect rss support, and reddit especially makes it easy to lurk on communities without an account through multisubreddit links for a customized feed without needing instances like nitter.
So sense I get is those who keep actively participating and contributing to reddit instead of going accountless and making steps to reduce their footprint there are ones who never were going to leave. And really was just a case of virtue signaling during the height of the protests.
As with many things in life, there’s no one simple reason for this, but I can think of a few factors that probably play into this.
One is that 50% of people are worse than the average person at any given thing, and in this case, I think the 2 relevant things would be tech literacy and concern about things like privacy. As Gen Z has entered the workforce, businesses have apparently begun to express concerns over the lack of tech literacy among applicants, especially when it comes to stuff like desktop software. Which makes sense since Gen Z has grown up in a world where basically everything is app based and on your phone. I’ve worked with highschool-age kids who never had a desktop/laptop in their house growing up. Add to this the average person’s concern on digital privacy and other concerns like the corporate greed that shut down the third party API access - which is basically nonexistent, since many people have trouble caring about something until it personally affects them - and it’s easy to imagine that your average Reddit user, especially lurkers, probably uses Reddit through the official app on their phone and doesn’t even know any other way they potentially could use Reddit. Most of them probably don’t even know what an adblocker is, let alone an RSS feed or something. I believe Reddit themselves said that the people who used third-party apps made up like a fraction of a percentage of the user base, with the next smallest group being those who used the website, and that the majority of people used the official app.
Then you have the force of habit. Habits, once entrenched, are hard to break. People like consistency and are often opposed to changes in their routine, especially ones that don’t have an obviously beneficial aspect to them and ones that will require some amount of effort to change. This is why doomscrolling social media in general is so difficult to stop. You can change platforms, but it takes a conscious effort to choose to stop entirely.
So your average Reddit lurker probably was upset about the change, but since it didn’t personally affect them, they grumbled about it and then went on with their doomscrolling.
Then, you get to the users who actively interact with Reddit, either through posting content or commenting. These are the kinds of people who aren’t going to just stop interacting with the subreddits they’re in and become lurkers, and they have even more reason to be stuck in the habit of using Reddit, because they have the emotional weight/connection to the communities they frequent. These are the kinds of people I was thinking of mainly for my previous comment, because they’re the most likely to stay despite being disgruntled with Reddit’s recent actions. It’s like they’re using Discord even though they think it sucks compared to a similar program because all their friends are on Discord, and all their friends are on Discord because they’re on Discord.
There are also the people who financially depend on social media. People like artists depend on platforms like Reddit because their livelihood depends on them putting their work in front of people’s eyeballs, so they can’t simply leave the big platforms. They might establish themselves on places like Lemmy, but they won’t be able to abandon Reddit simply because that’s the kind of place where the people are.
All of this to say, that basically the tipping point for the mass abandonment of Reddit will only happen when it personally negatively affects the majority of people, or when the better alternatives have a sufficient amount of users/content to make the effort of migrating seem worthwhile. Right now, Reddit just has too much gravity from being established for so long and having such a large userbase to keep your average person from wanting able to leave.
Its a feature not a bug. They can stay in their corporate containment hellhole far away from the awesome communities on Lemmy.
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Probably viewed the active local feed and never looked further.