Independent presidential candidate Cornel West will not make Pennsylvania's ballot after the battleground state's Supreme Court on Monday upheld a lower court ruling, and counties started printing ballots.
The way third parties are being shut out this election cycle really highlights how undemocratic the US actually is. Democrats are shutting out their spoilers, Republicans are shutting out their spoilers, you are not allowed to vote for anyone but the two ruling parties.
This clearly wasn’t a problem before this year. The parties just did what they usually do, but now unknown rules that were never enforced before are suddenly a problem. Oh and the rules are different in every single state. They’d need to hire a legal team to get nationwide ballot access.
Tedious libshit - oh we’d love to have a democratic process, but you didn’t jump through all the procedural hoops in exactly the right way (rules we made up and were never voted on lol). Sure they rules are different in every single state and are selectively enforced, but rules are rules!
The rules are made up and the game doesn’t matter. Also the rules are hidden behind layers of procedural nonsense and you only find out you broke the rules after the fact.
It shouldn’t require hiring a legal team to get ballot access. My only point is this isn’t a democratic process.
also, the democrats literally don’t have to jump through these hoops, so tehy can spend their time and money making sure others don’t get on the ballot.
It’s on them, all they had to do was file the paperwork correctly. Nobody is banning them or shutting them out.
We are talking about a party that gets less than one percent of the vote - even in polling that isn’t subject to ballot laws. The will of the people is not really being misrepresented here.
Can you give me your best example of a Socialist country that represents democracy?
Absolutely agree. Even me posting about third parties here has brought more hate and mockery than I’ve ever experienced, even on Reddit! People can be toxic. lol
But all the backlash has only made me more determined to keep posting news about third parties!
I believe in people having options and diversity in political opinions. :)
Of course you will because you’re most likely 1) a disinformation agent who is being paid to post these ridiculously stupid opinions, or 2) someone who is a “useful idiot” and genuinely believe that voting 3rd party is a complete waste of a vote when these 3rd parties do nothing for 4 years and only show up on election year to try and steal votes from Democrats.
What percentage do the names of the literal entirety of current elected green officials you listed, as granularity as local elections, represent of the total elected positions? Hint: in 1992 that total was about 520,000 people.
Edit: lol didn’t even realize you included former appointments.
Friend, I’m not voting for her. But the green party does more than just run for president. Now if you wanna argue percentages, ok, cool. But they do run for offices, as I’ve shown you.
With something like 50% appointment rate, largely due to uncontested elections. In other words, less than 250 run compared to 520k other party contenders. This is less than .05% green, yet they think they should be on 100% of presidential races.
I wouldn’t believe your “explanation” if you gave one.
So then what’s the point of accusations then? Because you’ve just admitted that you will believe what you wanna believe. So maybe you should let it go.
Some things are true, whether you believe them or not. And I’ll keep posting any articles that I find interesting. Thank you! :)
I didn’t make accusations did I? Look, you’re welcome to block me of you don’t want to see my comments on the articles you post.
Voting 3rd party in a US election = not getting a say in which of the actual candidates gets elected. I’ll keep reminding folks about that unless you’re trying to say certain viewpoints shouldn’t be freely expressed…
You have a narrative you wanna push, all because I am not voting for you candidate.
I’m fine with you being against 3rd parties. You keep arguing against them, I’ll keep arguing for them. Unless you’re trying to say certain viewpoints shouldn’t be freely expressed.
I’ll keep posting. And you keep posting.
As long as the news reports on them, I’ll post them. :)
Woah. I’m not anti 3rd party. Don’t put words in my mouth.
It’s just stupid to vote for any third party in this election. I think we should have ranked choice and a number of election reforms to allow for viable 3rd parties. But 2 months before a wanna be dictator is on the ballot isn’t the time.
Be honest. You’re really just trying to get trump elected by making everyone doubt everyone elses intentions. You are just trying to sow discontent and confusion.
Until our voting system is changed from First-to-the-Finish to Ranked Choice, it’s impossible for a third party to be a legitimate option.
I would love to see a third party candidate be successful, but if these third parties can’t even complete their paperwork on time and take opposition party funding, they are not legitimate.
The way third parties are being shut out this election cycle really highlights how undemocratic the US actually is. Democrats are shutting out their spoilers, Republicans are shutting out their spoilers, you are not allowed to vote for anyone but the two ruling parties.
Yeah, they’re totally being shut out by… checks notes not filing their paperwork on time.
If they filed the paperwork properly and on time they wouldn’t be able to complain about being shut out… :)
This clearly wasn’t a problem before this year. The parties just did what they usually do, but now unknown rules that were never enforced before are suddenly a problem. Oh and the rules are different in every single state. They’d need to hire a legal team to get nationwide ballot access.
Tedious libshit - oh we’d love to have a democratic process, but you didn’t jump through all the procedural hoops in exactly the right way (rules we made up and were never voted on lol). Sure they rules are different in every single state and are selectively enforced, but rules are rules!
If you want to win the game you gotta play by the rules.
If you want to kick the table over then get on with it.
The rules are made up and the game doesn’t matter. Also the rules are hidden behind layers of procedural nonsense and you only find out you broke the rules after the fact.
It shouldn’t require hiring a legal team to get ballot access. My only point is this isn’t a democratic process.
I don’t disagree that it’s not democratic and full of bullshit rules. But don’t complain you can’t win a shitty game if you don’t play by its rules.
And if you want a different game you need to kick the table over.
Sure, but let’s remember what I actually said: what’s happening highlights the undemocratic nature of US elections.
How we respond to that is important, but it doesn’t change my original point!
There are far, far better examples of the undemocratic nature of US elections than having deadlines for filing paperwork.
And if a party can’t even get paperwork filed on time, how are they going to do anything more significant?
It’s still a useful example for third party voters to learn an important lesson.
No arguments that these third parties are woefully inadequate.
also, the democrats literally don’t have to jump through these hoops, so tehy can spend their time and money making sure others don’t get on the ballot.
It’s on them, all they had to do was file the paperwork correctly. Nobody is banning them or shutting them out.
We are talking about a party that gets less than one percent of the vote - even in polling that isn’t subject to ballot laws. The will of the people is not really being misrepresented here.
Can you give me your best example of a Socialist country that represents democracy?
This is patently false. Why are you lying?
No one should vote for these green or third party candidates because they are not serious or legitimate.
They disappear after every election and do nothing for downballot candidates.theyre also paid by foreign actors.
Look at the Domain they’re posting from it will explain a lot.
In YOUR opinion. But I, and many others, do and will vote third party. No matter how mad you are.
Having said that, I wouldn’t vote for West.
Absolutely agree. Even me posting about third parties here has brought more hate and mockery than I’ve ever experienced, even on Reddit! People can be toxic. lol
But all the backlash has only made me more determined to keep posting news about third parties!
I believe in people having options and diversity in political opinions. :)
Oh sure sure. That’s the reason. 🙄
Thank God you’re here to make sure everyone remembers they can chuck their vote into a hole if they don’t care who wins.
I don’t have to explain anything to you. Believe me or not. I don’t care.
But I’ll keep posting. Thank you!
Of course you will because you’re most likely 1) a disinformation agent who is being paid to post these ridiculously stupid opinions, or 2) someone who is a “useful idiot” and genuinely believe that voting 3rd party is a complete waste of a vote when these 3rd parties do nothing for 4 years and only show up on election year to try and steal votes from Democrats.
I didn’t write the article. So what “ridiculously stupid opinions” are you talking about?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States (thanks to @[email protected] for the info)
State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)
Current Green Party Mayors
Former Green Party Mayors
Current Green Party City & County Council Members
Former Green Party City & County Council Members
Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)
Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)
What percentage do the names of the literal entirety of current elected green officials you listed, as granularity as local elections, represent of the total elected positions? Hint: in 1992 that total was about 520,000 people.
Edit: lol didn’t even realize you included former appointments.
My point was they don’t only run pres elections.
Friend, I’m not voting for her. But the green party does more than just run for president. Now if you wanna argue percentages, ok, cool. But they do run for offices, as I’ve shown you.
With something like 50% appointment rate, largely due to uncontested elections. In other words, less than 250 run compared to 520k other party contenders. This is less than .05% green, yet they think they should be on 100% of presidential races.
Ah the same bullshit-ass copypasta that proves you’re wrong, again?
Didn’t ask you to explain anything. I wouldn’t believe your “explanation” if you gave one.
So then what’s the point of accusations then? Because you’ve just admitted that you will believe what you wanna believe. So maybe you should let it go.
Some things are true, whether you believe them or not. And I’ll keep posting any articles that I find interesting. Thank you! :)
I didn’t make accusations did I? Look, you’re welcome to block me of you don’t want to see my comments on the articles you post.
Voting 3rd party in a US election = not getting a say in which of the actual candidates gets elected. I’ll keep reminding folks about that unless you’re trying to say certain viewpoints shouldn’t be freely expressed…
You have a narrative you wanna push, all because I am not voting for you candidate.
I’m fine with you being against 3rd parties. You keep arguing against them, I’ll keep arguing for them. Unless you’re trying to say certain viewpoints shouldn’t be freely expressed.
I’ll keep posting. And you keep posting.
As long as the news reports on them, I’ll post them. :)
Woah. I’m not anti 3rd party. Don’t put words in my mouth.
It’s just stupid to vote for any third party in this election. I think we should have ranked choice and a number of election reforms to allow for viable 3rd parties. But 2 months before a wanna be dictator is on the ballot isn’t the time.
Even if those options do nothing but help elect trump.
Be honest. You’re really just trying to get trump elected not 3rd party candidates cuz u know 3rd party candidates can’t get to 270
Be honest. You’re really just trying to get trump elected by making everyone doubt everyone elses intentions. You are just trying to sow discontent and confusion.
That makes no sense
Makes exactly the same amount of sense as the thing I was accused of. What part confuses you?
No, it doesn’t. Just repeating a statement, slightly modified, doesn’t mean it makes sense.
I can’t help you understand it. Good luck!
Because there’s nothing to understand. Have the day you deserve!
Until our voting system is changed from First-to-the-Finish to Ranked Choice, it’s impossible for a third party to be a legitimate option.
I would love to see a third party candidate be successful, but if these third parties can’t even complete their paperwork on time and take opposition party funding, they are not legitimate.