I didn’t ask you to give me a list of logical fallacies, I asked you to explain the difference between peepee and poopoo. Why wouldn’t you do that unless you just don’t know the answer? Care to explain?
Pee is liquid and is excreted from from the urethra and poo poo is feces excreted from the anus. Done.
Now can you explain why PPP loans were forgiven? What is the context and legislative background behind PPP loans? How are they related/similar to student loans? Why was major student loan relief stalled legislatively? Show us you understand anything about what you’re talking about? Give one specific example.
Sorry. Too many many overwhelming questions to your buzzword statement? I hope i’m not gish galloping ad hom slippery slope false equivocating here. Feel free to answer just one question with specific example and source.
I can’t believe you actually did it 🤣 You really couldn’t admit that both of our questions were unfair, huh?
PPP loans were loans given out in response to COVID that were intended to help prevent small businesses survive. In reality, they were handed out left and right with little oversight.
They were part of the CARES Act passed under the Trump administration.
They’re not related to student loans except insofar as they’re both government loans (though student loans are generally managed through third parties). The White House seemed to think it was a fair comparison, though.
There were several different pieces of legislation regarding student loans, so you’ll have to be more specific about which effort you’re talking about.
It’s now 4 AM and while I may make questionable choices regarding my sleep schedule and internet arguments, I do need to get some sleep.
If you have any further questions, then be prepared to answer more of mine in exchange.
Let me remind you: you made the claim that because the government forgave some PPP loans the government can also and should forgive student debt. Which is a nonsense vague talking point repeated all the time and with no substance.
It betrays a complete misunderstanding of many key parts that go into how, why, and when student loans operate and can be discharged and how little they bear in relation to PPP loans. Nonetheless, this talking point was picked up and is still being spread like gospel or some clever gotcha.
I’ve answered your poop and pee question. I will answer any question you want.
Now can you explain why and how student loans can be forgiven in the same way that PPP loans were? Be specific.
Thank you for asking a question that’s directly relevant and not just some bullshit “test of knowledge.”
I’d like to remind you once again that my “vague talking point repeated all the time with no substance,” was made by the White House.
As for “how, why, and when student loans can be discharged,” those things are all determined by laws passed by Congress. Such as the law Biden voted for which made student loans ineligible for forgiveness through bankruptcy.
Apart from having been a member of Congress for decades and actively making the problem worse, you probably intend to roll out the talking point that the smol bean most powerful man on earth is part of the executive branch and thus has no control over legislation other than the veto. I recall this was one of your “test” questions from earlier. What this neglects is that the president is influential within the party and can and does frequently work with the legislature on bills. There’s a reason why we call it “Obamacare,” even though Obama didn’t formally vote on it because he wasn’t a member of Congress.
What did the democrats get in exchange for PPP loan forgiveness? Maybe they should’ve negotiated harder to include changes to how student loans work as part of that deal. But then, many Democrats as well as Republicans had PPP loans that got forgiven, so I suppose they got something out of the deal.
the president is influential within the party and can and does frequently work with the legislature on bills
Correct. Biden has advocated and advanced numerous bills related to this. It’s quite the list. I’m not going to go over it because I already know the next talking point or buzzphrase.
those things are all determined by laws passed by Congress
Correct
Maybe they should’ve negotiated harder to include changes to how student loans work as part of that deal
Yes. Maybe the coulda/shoulda/woulda. Policy negotiations aren’t easy, esp when dems held only slim majorities in both houses. This here is the crux of discourse on social media.
WELL THEY FORGAVE PPP LOANS I DONT SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL??
It’s all conjecture intended to equivocate between the two parties and dilute the discourse. That’s all it is because it is completely devoid of the specifics in each legislation. It’s all feelings. When people are ready to open up the bills and talk policy, lets go. Lets have that discussion. But for as long as people post this asinine nonsense “WELL THEY FORGAVE PPP…” we’ll be stuck in the realm of buzzwords forever. And both sides are the same, amirite?
You’re the one who brought up student loan forgiveness as something that differentiates the democrats. Personally, I wouldn’t go around bragging about something they failed to deliver on.
I have made my point to my satisfaction. You can go off about whatever vague excuses you want. What I see is that they delivered on loan forgiveness to business owners and investors (and themselves) but not to students. You’ve yet to offer any sort of actual explanation or excuse beyond talking vaguely about how “legislation is hard.”
You wanna talk about the specifics of the legislation, go for it, I’m game. But it’s not my job to bring up excuses for the people I’m criticizing, it’s yours.
Right back at you.
Remember what I said: diapers.
Here is a comprehensive list of logical fallacies:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
I recommend you start with “gish gallop”. I hope it’s not too many statements and overwhelming for you.
I didn’t ask you to give me a list of logical fallacies, I asked you to explain the difference between peepee and poopoo. Why wouldn’t you do that unless you just don’t know the answer? Care to explain?
Pee is liquid and is excreted from from the urethra and poo poo is feces excreted from the anus. Done.
Now can you explain why PPP loans were forgiven? What is the context and legislative background behind PPP loans? How are they related/similar to student loans? Why was major student loan relief stalled legislatively? Show us you understand anything about what you’re talking about? Give one specific example.
Sorry. Too many many overwhelming questions to your buzzword statement? I hope i’m not gish galloping ad hom slippery slope false equivocating here. Feel free to answer just one question with specific example and source.
Take all the time you need.
I can’t believe you actually did it 🤣 You really couldn’t admit that both of our questions were unfair, huh?
PPP loans were loans given out in response to COVID that were intended to help prevent small businesses survive. In reality, they were handed out left and right with little oversight.
They were part of the CARES Act passed under the Trump administration.
They’re not related to student loans except insofar as they’re both government loans (though student loans are generally managed through third parties). The White House seemed to think it was a fair comparison, though.
There were several different pieces of legislation regarding student loans, so you’ll have to be more specific about which effort you’re talking about.
It’s now 4 AM and while I may make questionable choices regarding my sleep schedule and internet arguments, I do need to get some sleep.
If you have any further questions, then be prepared to answer more of mine in exchange.
Let me remind you: you made the claim that because the government forgave some PPP loans the government can also and should forgive student debt. Which is a nonsense vague talking point repeated all the time and with no substance.
It betrays a complete misunderstanding of many key parts that go into how, why, and when student loans operate and can be discharged and how little they bear in relation to PPP loans. Nonetheless, this talking point was picked up and is still being spread like gospel or some clever gotcha.
I’ve answered your poop and pee question. I will answer any question you want.
Now can you explain why and how student loans can be forgiven in the same way that PPP loans were? Be specific.
Thank you for asking a question that’s directly relevant and not just some bullshit “test of knowledge.”
I’d like to remind you once again that my “vague talking point repeated all the time with no substance,” was made by the White House.
As for “how, why, and when student loans can be discharged,” those things are all determined by laws passed by Congress. Such as the law Biden voted for which made student loans ineligible for forgiveness through bankruptcy.
Apart from having been a member of Congress for decades and actively making the problem worse, you probably intend to roll out the talking point that the smol bean most powerful man on earth is part of the executive branch and thus has no control over legislation other than the veto. I recall this was one of your “test” questions from earlier. What this neglects is that the president is influential within the party and can and does frequently work with the legislature on bills. There’s a reason why we call it “Obamacare,” even though Obama didn’t formally vote on it because he wasn’t a member of Congress.
What did the democrats get in exchange for PPP loan forgiveness? Maybe they should’ve negotiated harder to include changes to how student loans work as part of that deal. But then, many Democrats as well as Republicans had PPP loans that got forgiven, so I suppose they got something out of the deal.
Correct. Biden has advocated and advanced numerous bills related to this. It’s quite the list. I’m not going to go over it because I already know the next talking point or buzzphrase.
Correct
Yes. Maybe the coulda/shoulda/woulda. Policy negotiations aren’t easy, esp when dems held only slim majorities in both houses. This here is the crux of discourse on social media.
WELL THEY FORGAVE PPP LOANS I DONT SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL??
It’s all conjecture intended to equivocate between the two parties and dilute the discourse. That’s all it is because it is completely devoid of the specifics in each legislation. It’s all feelings. When people are ready to open up the bills and talk policy, lets go. Lets have that discussion. But for as long as people post this asinine nonsense “WELL THEY FORGAVE PPP…” we’ll be stuck in the realm of buzzwords forever. And both sides are the same, amirite?
You’re the one who brought up student loan forgiveness as something that differentiates the democrats. Personally, I wouldn’t go around bragging about something they failed to deliver on.
I have made my point to my satisfaction. You can go off about whatever vague excuses you want. What I see is that they delivered on loan forgiveness to business owners and investors (and themselves) but not to students. You’ve yet to offer any sort of actual explanation or excuse beyond talking vaguely about how “legislation is hard.”
You wanna talk about the specifics of the legislation, go for it, I’m game. But it’s not my job to bring up excuses for the people I’m criticizing, it’s yours.