The Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained ground in three recent state elections, caused an uproar in the Thuringian parliament and triggering another debate on whether to ban the party outright.

  • @[email protected]
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    812 hours ago

    I don’t disagree with that sentiment at all, I’m just not sure how to set this particular broken bone. How do you make ~20% of the population less fascist?

    • @[email protected]
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      45 hours ago

      You can’t, but Germany has always had at least 20% nazis and fascists all throughout its post war history.

      Up till recently, they didn’t vote, or voted conservative, because there was no other option. So they didn’t actually threaten democracy all that much.

      Banning the AfD won’t reduce the number of fascists, but it will close one avenue they have for destroying the state.

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        11 hours ago

        Did they do it, though? Eg. the BfV (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, the domestic intelligence agency) and BKA (Federal Criminal Bureau, the federal investigative police) are somewhat notorious for having a bit of a neo-Nazi problem, and they’re not the only German federal or state entities with the same issue (see eg. this article about the BfV and BKA. Edit: PBS report about neo-Nazi infiltration in German security forces).

        It’s not an uncommon view that denazification wasn’t entirely successful. Hell, they even have a word for the sort of rushed “washing clean” of Nazi officials that was done: Persilschein, “Persil ticket” (Persil is a detergent brand).

        I’d argue that if denazification had really succeeded, the AfD and others like it wouldn’t be as much of an issue.

        • Flying SquidM
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          1011 hours ago

          “Not entirely successful” and “not 30% of the population” are two very different things.

          • @[email protected]
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            211 hours ago

            I’d be inclined to think that going from 30% to 20% is worse than “not entirely successful” (assuming AfD voters in general are at the very least somewhat sympathetic to fascist views, which really doesn’t seem like an unfair assumption)

            • @[email protected]
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              511 hours ago

              20% is still better than 30%. Less momentum in the movement; more chance of discouraging others from pursuing it.