Interesting how everyone blames the people and not the corporate party that doesn’t represent the people. If Democrats are struggling to get leftist votes then I suggest they do things that will make leftists vote for them.
I don’t understand what is so difficult to grasp… In a first past the post system, a candidate that panders to leftists will never win. Not in the current political climate at least.
Conservatives line up behind their chosen candidate, but the left can never agree on fucking anything. And conservatives vote.
So we have a situation where only two parties can emerge, and the person representing the left-leaning party (relatively speaking, I know Democrats are not really “left” in general) has a to walk a tightrope in order to get elected. It is impossible for them to please every faction or individual leftist opinion, and trying to do so would end in certain failure.
Harris could very much be privately supportive of Palestine, but if she were to openly condemn Israel prior to the election, she will 100% lose. Yes, that is shitty, but that is reality right now. That’s what needs to be changed, and it doesn’t happen one month before the most important election this country has ever had.
So if you want a Democratic candidate to pander to progressives, then progressives need to make themselves impossible to ignore when there is not an election of this importance going on. That’s how you move the party to the left. Vote down ballot, vote in local elections, organize for progressives candidates, etc.
But until we get rid of this bullshit first past the post system, voting for anybody besides a Democrat or a Republican is an objective waste.
Couldn’t even win the primary. I voted for him, but we ended up with Clinton instead. So I voted Jill Stein in the general out of spite in 2016, and it’s still one of my life’s greatest regrets.
If the political system worked the way I want it to, I wouldn’t have to regret it. But I threw away my vote on a spoiler candidate, knowing it was never going to amount to anything, but I was spiteful then over Bernie’s loss and thought I was making some sort of a point. The result was that I ended up contributing to Trump’s win in 2016 and I’ll never live that down.
If Hillary had been a better candidate, and adopted more of Bernie’s policies, she would have earned your vote. You didn’t fail her, she failed you. It’s literally her job as a candidate to sway your vote. She failed. It’s not the electorate’s fault when the candidate doesn’t court them. We need to stop blaming individuals for candidates deficiencies.
That’s one way to look at it, but it doesn’t alleviate the fact that I tried to game a system that was already being gamed, and ended up voting against my own interests as a result.
In practice, what happened is that I wanted a candidate who offered A, B, C, and D, which was Bernie. Bernie lost the primary and we were left with a candidate that only offered A and B (Clinton), so I got angry and voted for someone else that had no chance of winning but I thought would send a message.
So she lost, and we ended up with a president who not only didn’t do any of what I wanted, but actively made life worse for me, my loved ones, and millions of other people. And I helped create that outcome when I thought I was being a better person by voting by conscience, because I thought she deserved to lose. Only I didn’t give enough consideration towards who would win when that happened, and that ended up being a bigger burden on my conscience in the end.
To take that forward to today, honorable mention to the fact that Israel became more empowered under Trump’s administration than by any other administration that preceded him, so hell, I blame myself for essentially helping to facilitate this current situation we find ourselves in, too.
It was vanity on my part, or maybe just naivete, and there’s not really another way to frame it.
You say she loses of she supports Palestine, we say she loses if she doesnt. Maybe theres something she could do between those extremes like say halt weapon shipments once she takes office pending review.
Apparently the bet is that the jewish group is bigger than the third party anti-war group.
Interesting how everyone blames the people and not the corporate party that doesn’t represent the people. If Democrats are struggling to get leftist votes then I suggest they do things that will make leftists vote for them.
I don’t understand what is so difficult to grasp… In a first past the post system, a candidate that panders to leftists will never win. Not in the current political climate at least.
Conservatives line up behind their chosen candidate, but the left can never agree on fucking anything. And conservatives vote.
So we have a situation where only two parties can emerge, and the person representing the left-leaning party (relatively speaking, I know Democrats are not really “left” in general) has a to walk a tightrope in order to get elected. It is impossible for them to please every faction or individual leftist opinion, and trying to do so would end in certain failure.
Harris could very much be privately supportive of Palestine, but if she were to openly condemn Israel prior to the election, she will 100% lose. Yes, that is shitty, but that is reality right now. That’s what needs to be changed, and it doesn’t happen one month before the most important election this country has ever had.
So if you want a Democratic candidate to pander to progressives, then progressives need to make themselves impossible to ignore when there is not an election of this importance going on. That’s how you move the party to the left. Vote down ballot, vote in local elections, organize for progressives candidates, etc.
But until we get rid of this bullshit first past the post system, voting for anybody besides a Democrat or a Republican is an objective waste.
Bernie
Couldn’t even win the primary. I voted for him, but we ended up with Clinton instead. So I voted Jill Stein in the general out of spite in 2016, and it’s still one of my life’s greatest regrets.
You shouldn’t regret your vote. You voted your conscience. That is all that is required. You didn’t fail the electoral process, it failed you.
If the political system worked the way I want it to, I wouldn’t have to regret it. But I threw away my vote on a spoiler candidate, knowing it was never going to amount to anything, but I was spiteful then over Bernie’s loss and thought I was making some sort of a point. The result was that I ended up contributing to Trump’s win in 2016 and I’ll never live that down.
If Hillary had been a better candidate, and adopted more of Bernie’s policies, she would have earned your vote. You didn’t fail her, she failed you. It’s literally her job as a candidate to sway your vote. She failed. It’s not the electorate’s fault when the candidate doesn’t court them. We need to stop blaming individuals for candidates deficiencies.
That’s one way to look at it, but it doesn’t alleviate the fact that I tried to game a system that was already being gamed, and ended up voting against my own interests as a result.
In practice, what happened is that I wanted a candidate who offered A, B, C, and D, which was Bernie. Bernie lost the primary and we were left with a candidate that only offered A and B (Clinton), so I got angry and voted for someone else that had no chance of winning but I thought would send a message.
So she lost, and we ended up with a president who not only didn’t do any of what I wanted, but actively made life worse for me, my loved ones, and millions of other people. And I helped create that outcome when I thought I was being a better person by voting by conscience, because I thought she deserved to lose. Only I didn’t give enough consideration towards who would win when that happened, and that ended up being a bigger burden on my conscience in the end.
To take that forward to today, honorable mention to the fact that Israel became more empowered under Trump’s administration than by any other administration that preceded him, so hell, I blame myself for essentially helping to facilitate this current situation we find ourselves in, too.
It was vanity on my part, or maybe just naivete, and there’s not really another way to frame it.
Shit, even that isn’t required. There’s no compulsory voting laws in the US.
Now if you want to actually make a difference…
You don’t use your conscience when voting?
If you want to make a difference? No, you don’t use your conscience, at least not exclusively. You mainly use your brain.
Flabbergasted
You say she loses of she supports Palestine, we say she loses if she doesnt. Maybe theres something she could do between those extremes like say halt weapon shipments once she takes office pending review.
Apparently the bet is that the jewish group is bigger than the third party anti-war group.
Ho Chi Minh knew all about America’s long history of genocide and slavery.
Happily worked with the Americans in WW2.
You don’t always have perfect allies.