At least 18 soldiers provided to Putin by Kim Jong Un were said to have abandoned their positions after arriving to the front, Ukrainian media reports.
I’m not sure I trust any of these claims. The sources are all Ukrainian which means they are highly likely to be war propaganda at worst and heavily biased at best. No matter what anyone’s preconceptions about North Korea or Russia may be, independent verification is needed to know if any this is true.
No, they’re pointing out the obvious. Newsweek isn’t what it used to be, and the claims are all sourced from Ukraine, with no external on the record confirmations, yet.
Ukrainian media has a moral obligation to service the propaganda needs of the war. That’s neither good, nor bad, that’s just a part of being in an existential war for survival. I don’t blame them for it, and I’m certainly not bashing them for, I’m just pointing out reality.
I can’t speak for the person you’re responding to, but I have no trouble understanding why North Korea would send thousands of support personnel to Ukraine as the logistical tail to support their weapons platforms. Western nations have been doing the same thing inside Ukraine.
Maybe the story is true, it’s possible. But I’m going to need to see better sources provided then a Kyiv Post article citing unnamed Western officials or Newsweek using Ukrainian articles as their source information.
That’s it. If anything, it’s more unreasonable to not be skeptical of early reports coming from any war zone, whether you want to believe them, or not.
The core of what they say is truthful, just like most propaganda. Why bother pointing it out? Why automatically doubt Ukraine, calling them very biased “at best”?
Because it’s designed to undermine Ukraine and support the Kremlin and Pyong Yang.
True, and Russia is always the one lying, it’s their own strategy, Ukraine numbers are backed by CiA and UK intelligence right after, they actually lose support if they start lying, not Russia they only have lies, so fuck .ml
I can’t speak to that users motivations. I can only say that initial reporting out of any warzone should be viewed skeptically. I’ve already provided my rationale as to why, but ultimately, it’s a personal choice.
I’d rather file away first reports as unconfirmed rumors, or incomplete assessments, until I’ve seen additional reporting from other sources I trust.
Maybe that user really is what you said they are, or maybe they just suck at articulating the point that I was making. I don’t know.
it’s not that reports out of a warzone shouldn’t be questioned… it’s the way the user up top chose to frame their skepticism.
it reeks of alt-right divide-and-conquer tactics…
there’s plenty of people with poor articulation, but this is not that. this is on purpose.
there’s a certain way the far-right tends to speak that’s very distinct, once you start noticing it. and tankies, certainly not by accident, use a lot of the same language.
Nothing you said inferred credibility unto Russian sources, I just wanted to add my take on the bigger picture.
Which is, that Ukrainian reporting is probably not 100% correct and there probably are inflations somewhere (like you said), it is still bound to reality, while Russian reporting lost its touch with reality on day one.
I guess its a knee jerk reaction to all the tankies defending russia lol
Yeah no, there’s plenty of .ml users who have no idea of the political leanings of the server, I agree. Which is why I made it very clear I was kidding. I’m still keeping the instance blocked though.
I get your point, and validation is key always. But it’s a good little story and I like the idea of people leaving North Korea if it is really as bad as they claim (without independent validation).
I’m not sure I trust any of these claims. The sources are all Ukrainian which means they are highly likely to be war propaganda at worst and heavily biased at best. No matter what anyone’s preconceptions about North Korea or Russia may be, independent verification is needed to know if any this is true.
Lemmy.ml attacking the Kremlin’s enemies, what a surprise.
No, they’re pointing out the obvious. Newsweek isn’t what it used to be, and the claims are all sourced from Ukraine, with no external on the record confirmations, yet.
Ukrainian media has a moral obligation to service the propaganda needs of the war. That’s neither good, nor bad, that’s just a part of being in an existential war for survival. I don’t blame them for it, and I’m certainly not bashing them for, I’m just pointing out reality.
I can’t speak for the person you’re responding to, but I have no trouble understanding why North Korea would send thousands of support personnel to Ukraine as the logistical tail to support their weapons platforms. Western nations have been doing the same thing inside Ukraine.
Maybe the story is true, it’s possible. But I’m going to need to see better sources provided then a Kyiv Post article citing unnamed Western officials or Newsweek using Ukrainian articles as their source information.
That’s it. If anything, it’s more unreasonable to not be skeptical of early reports coming from any war zone, whether you want to believe them, or not.
The core of what they say is truthful, just like most propaganda. Why bother pointing it out? Why automatically doubt Ukraine, calling them very biased “at best”?
Because it’s designed to undermine Ukraine and support the Kremlin and Pyong Yang.
True, and Russia is always the one lying, it’s their own strategy, Ukraine numbers are backed by CiA and UK intelligence right after, they actually lose support if they start lying, not Russia they only have lies, so fuck .ml
I can’t speak to that users motivations. I can only say that initial reporting out of any warzone should be viewed skeptically. I’ve already provided my rationale as to why, but ultimately, it’s a personal choice.
I’d rather file away first reports as unconfirmed rumors, or incomplete assessments, until I’ve seen additional reporting from other sources I trust.
Maybe that user really is what you said they are, or maybe they just suck at articulating the point that I was making. I don’t know.
bit late to the party, but:
it’s not that reports out of a warzone shouldn’t be questioned… it’s the way the user up top chose to frame their skepticism.
it reeks of alt-right divide-and-conquer tactics…
there’s plenty of people with poor articulation, but this is not that. this is on purpose.
there’s a certain way the far-right tends to speak that’s very distinct, once you start noticing it. and tankies, certainly not by accident, use a lot of the same language.
At least what Ukraine is claiming is somewhat based in reality compared to what russia claims.
According to russian sources, russia has destroyed some vehicle and plane types in higher numbers than ukraine ever had, yet Ukraine still has some.
Weird how that works.
I don’t understand how anything I said inferred credibility unto Russian sources, much less Russian MOD claims on Ukrainian losses.
Can you reread my original comment, and then explain to me how anything I said, is directly related to anything you just said?
Nothing you said inferred credibility unto Russian sources, I just wanted to add my take on the bigger picture.
Which is, that Ukrainian reporting is probably not 100% correct and there probably are inflations somewhere (like you said), it is still bound to reality, while Russian reporting lost its touch with reality on day one.
I guess its a knee jerk reaction to all the tankies defending russia lol
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Can I just downvote them anyway for being from .ml? (kidding)
My first account was on Lemmy.ml, because that was the main one recommended or showing up, during the first Reddit exodus.
I’ve encountered enough reasonable and well intentioned Lemmy.ml users to not assume the worst, even if I get where you’re coming from.
The same cannot be said for hexabear.
Yeah no, there’s plenty of .ml users who have no idea of the political leanings of the server, I agree. Which is why I made it very clear I was kidding. I’m still keeping the instance blocked though.
.ML user sharing Russia propaganda as always
Yes it’s “propaganda” to be critical of the media you consume. 🙄
I get your point, and validation is key always. But it’s a good little story and I like the idea of people leaving North Korea if it is really as bad as they claim (without independent validation).