Be that as it may, this is very much part of the intent of the sanctions. Creating popular dissent and dissatisfaction within Russia due to Putin’s insistence on carrying out a war of aggression is very much by design. This is the Second Cold War. We’re in it.
Sure… Their anger will be directed at Putin, not at who actually imposed those sanctions.
I am worried that these sanctions will make them band together and support Putin even more.
And then what? They’ll go to war even harder? And if Putin is such a good leader, why doesn’t he just have Russia produce alternatives to the goods and services under sanctions?
The old status quo without sanctions got the world into the current situation. Why would keeping it the same fix it?
One could also make the opposite case for your logic: I am worried that without sanctions, people will see Putin as a strong leader, and as such hand together and support him even more.
Well, I never argued for not sanctioning them. I just think it’s kind of fucked either way - if sanctions work, they start hating sanction imposers and band behind the dictator; if sanctions don’t work, then obviously they are going to praise the dictator for his good work. It’s lose-lose.
And I don’t know if you have noticed or not, unfortunately, the sanctions aren’t working that well… Maybe the answer is more sanctions? idk
And I don’t know if you noticed or not, unfortunately, the sanctions aren’t working that well… Maybe the answer is more sanctions? idk
I’m in favor of more of them, but I don’t think the current ones aren’t working. It was clear from the beginning that they’d be escalating so that Russia has a way out. They’re not using it so sanctions get worse.
Sanctions have not succeeded in lessening support or creating regime change. They are a siege warfare tactic, and a way of inflicting suffering upon the masses of people. There’s plenty of books on the topic, I’d recommend Sanctions as War, edited by Stuart Davis and Immanuel Ness.
Feel bad for the average Joe over there.
Be that as it may, this is very much part of the intent of the sanctions. Creating popular dissent and dissatisfaction within Russia due to Putin’s insistence on carrying out a war of aggression is very much by design. This is the Second Cold War. We’re in it.
Sure… Their anger will be directed at Putin, not at who actually imposed those sanctions.
I am worried that these sanctions will make them band together and support Putin even more.
And then what? They’ll go to war even harder? And if Putin is such a good leader, why doesn’t he just have Russia produce alternatives to the goods and services under sanctions?
The old status quo without sanctions got the world into the current situation. Why would keeping it the same fix it?
One could also make the opposite case for your logic: I am worried that without sanctions, people will see Putin as a strong leader, and as such hand together and support him even more.
Well, I never argued for not sanctioning them. I just think it’s kind of fucked either way - if sanctions work, they start hating sanction imposers and band behind the dictator; if sanctions don’t work, then obviously they are going to praise the dictator for his good work. It’s lose-lose.
And I don’t know if you have noticed or not, unfortunately, the sanctions aren’t working that well… Maybe the answer is more sanctions? idk
I’m in favor of more of them, but I don’t think the current ones aren’t working. It was clear from the beginning that they’d be escalating so that Russia has a way out. They’re not using it so sanctions get worse.
Sanctions have not succeeded in lessening support or creating regime change. They are a siege warfare tactic, and a way of inflicting suffering upon the masses of people. There’s plenty of books on the topic, I’d recommend Sanctions as War, edited by Stuart Davis and Immanuel Ness.
Could go both ways, but really the change has to come from within, they will have to change this in the end
Really sucks though that 90% of war supporters are brainwashed/indoctrinated anyway
Nvidia is a western lie, comrade. You don’t need it.
It was a joke why you’re being downvoted lol
Obligatory Poe’s Law mention, since Lenny seems to have agreed that it’s important.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
To be fair, with the amount of tankies in this site, you can never play safe lol
I feel bad for the average Joe in Ukraine, and I dont feel any need to pity Russia or Russians at all.