• 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
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    1727 days ago

    So you need a BankID to open an account on the covered platforms? That seems like a privacy nightmare.

    • @[email protected]
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      827 days ago

      Everyone in Norway has one, well like 99,99% or something. It is a requirement for banking.

      It is used for all banking services in Norway. When you get your own bank account at 13 or something you also get BankID.

      • @[email protected]
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        827 days ago

        it’s a privacy nightmare as it relies on google and apple servers to authenticate verification. neither of which are private. it also makes it impossible for european alternative operative systems to enter the market - giving a foreign state, the US, full control over what we can and can’t do.

        • @[email protected]
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          527 days ago

          Can you elaborate a bit on the google and apple servers for authentication? My impression was that this system uses its own platform.

          • @[email protected]
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            127 days ago

            BankID is it’s own trusted platform. It is not connected to any of them. I am not sure if I understand what the other person is trying to say. Maybe they are afraid that Google and Apple can use BankID verified sessions to better identify the user?

            • @[email protected]
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              327 days ago

              They are using the phone SDKs to verify that BankID was correctly installed, much like any other client side DRM.

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                27 days ago

                I don’t think BankID has any sort of SDK that lets other apps access user data like that? All interaction with BankID I know of at least is triggered with the app needing authentication/signature opening a BankID session to the central service where you enter your authentication and then the BankID app is used as MFA to verify this.

                Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying completely?

                • @[email protected]
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                  627 days ago

                  they run verification through google/apple services. so we scandinacians can’t use a degoogled/microg android phones at all. at one point (long long ago) they used to run their own which made it available on any platform, but that service mysteriously died the day ubuntu phone launched. very coincidental.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    527 days ago

                    I am not sure if this is true, maybe I am misunderstanding something. I use GrapheneOS and can use all banking services in Norway just fine. GrapheneOS does have a translation layer or something like that for Google Play Services, is that what you are thinking of?

                • @[email protected]
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                  427 days ago

                  What I meant was that the phone operating system has SDKs (e.g. google services on android) which the app uses to make sure it hasn’t been tampered with, which makes it even harder to make an open source client.

                  It’s the opposite of supplying an SDK for third party developers.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    126 days ago

                    Oh I see. Thanks for the clarification. Is that something they could have gone without and still be as secure as possible?

      • @[email protected]
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        627 days ago

        We have SmartID and MobiilID in Estonia too, but you don’t need it to log onto social media. You only need it

        • @[email protected]
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          1127 days ago

          As far as I understand, BankID actually abstracts away those numbers. FB have to use an API, and more or less receive a true or false on their query.

          They recently opened up for using BankID to prove your age at bars and such, and I think they only get to know if person is old enough or not. Not even a number, just old enough.

          • @[email protected]
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            427 days ago

            This is the right way to protect privacy. Auditable government departments have your data anyways. They don’t provide the data to companies, but they answer questions like “old enough to drink?” With yes no answers.

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              125 days ago

              The government can keep a log of what sites asked for such a proof though, and better assume they do.

              • @[email protected]
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                125 days ago

                That’s true, but the government is auditable by citizens though. We can legislate them to not keep logs and most importantly we can see if they’re sharing data with advertisers.

                • @[email protected]
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                  125 days ago

                  I wouldn’t be as trusting of them. They have all the power to lie to people and just do the thing in their interest. Or someone there may just be bribed.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    125 days ago

                    This is in comparison to private corporations who have a profit incentive to monetize your data in every disgusting abusive way possible. Companies with a fiduciary duty to exploit every possible potential for profit or they can be sued by shareholders? Companies that aren’t publicly auditable so you’ll never know who they’re sharing your data with? Like the recent trend of cars selling your location data to your insurance company who then uses it to hike your rates?

                    You’re comparing a government who has to be bribed or break a law in order to share your data at all with corporations who have a duty to sell it to the highest bidder. And in this comparison your conclusion is it’s the government that you can’t trust?

                    Sorry, I have to say I’m completely baffled by your statements right now.

          • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
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            127 days ago

            If truly masked, it might be fine. But the site has to gather that data in order to append it to the API call and it, therefore, mean that they could keep it (even of they actually may not). There are ways around it, such as with session tokens passed between the social media’s page and the bank’s official API page. But, knowing fb, they won’t use the latter.

            • @[email protected]
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              227 days ago

              Obviously not, it’s like Google authentication , you log into a site, doesn’t mean the site can see your Gmail.

              • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
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                126 days ago

                It depends how it’s implemented. If they implement correctly, then you’re right. But not all do. That’s a fact that bit me in the arse once, and I no longer use those features for lack of trust.