This goes to all the peeps who support parliamentary voting as a valid political action.

If your society has been steadily progressing towards fascism for decades regardless of your voting (like the USA has been), is there any point, any action which will convince you that voting ultimately doesn’t work?

Is so, what is it? What would your government have to do for you to acknowledge that voting doesn’t matter? For many people, it was of course, supporting genocide (which is why so many states desperately try to deny a genocide is ongoing). But if genocide isn’t, what is yours?

Eventually a society which has been slowly progressing towards fascism regardless of voting, will become fascist. And we all know what comes after that. There’s always one thing where I think even the most hardcore parliamentarian will agree that voting ultimately didn’t work: When they’re personally being force-marched to the mass grave-sites.

Would that be your point? Or does it come earlier? If so, when?

  • HubertManne
    9•2 months ago

    Are you saying not using a democratic system is going to avoid facism???

    • @[email protected]
      4•2 months ago

      Everyone knows that if less than 10% of the people vote, Peter Gelderloos all of a sudden becomes president. It’s the only way.

    • db0OPM
      3•2 months ago

      No, I’m saying that using this particular democratic system is not going to avoid fascism

      • HubertManne
        6•2 months ago

        Do we have another to use? If not how will we get it. What methods are you suggesting to bring it about?

        • @aubeynarf
          3•2 months ago

          “direct action”, otherwise unspecified. Maybe carrying a sign or blocking traffic will stop imperialism? Maybe stealing the neighbors’ Amazon packages? I don’t know, and I bet he comes up with nothing other than glittering generalities.

          • ProdigalFrogEnglish
            3•2 months ago
            • Creating or helping encourage worker owned cooperatives
            • Helping organize people into unions
            • Participating in or forming a local mutual aid group to tackle a problem that your community faces (feeding the needy, making small candle heaters to help vulnerable people survive in colder regions, help your community become more climate resilient, etc)
            • Creating community gardens to help feed, nutrify, and bring together your local community, especially helpful in downtrodden communities where nutritive food is not accessible by walking or bicycle.
            • Educating your local community that anarchism and or its principles are an incredibly promising solution to many of societies problems
            • Participate in meaningful demonstrations (occupy wall street, physically blocking climate destroying activities)

            Those are just a few examples I can think of.

        • db0OPM
          3•2 months ago

          Anarchism of course. Do you want me to link you to reading material?