With the number of rockets Hamas and Hezbollah has launched into Israel during “peacetime” while being supplied by Iran, they’re doing a great job of staying enemies.
Did you know that the Gazan bomb disposal teams are some of the most skilled in the world? The reason for this is so they can disarm and disassemble unexploded Israeli bombs so that the explosives can be repurposed and fired back. So a surprisingly large portion of the explosives that Hamas used were supplied by Israel via their long-term sporadic bombing of Gaza and anything resembling major infrastructure.
Well maybe Israel should stop its brutal, decades-long apartheid campaign that’s pissing off all of its neighbors and pre-dates Hamas by around 50 years.
How many of these brutal wars were started by Israel completely unprovoked, and how many of them were started because Israel’s neighbors F-ed around before finding out?
Arguably, all of them involving Israel were started by Israel. Colonists coming in and buying the farm, then refusing to hire the local non-jews who traditionally worked there, is going to provoke a response. They knew this, and it’s why they formed militias to attack them and use the response as justification to expand militarily. These militias were formed into the IDF when Israel officially became a nation.
Sure, you can also argue that buying up the land and not hiring the locals was “their right” but you can’t really complain when people lose their ability to survive because some foreigners come in and take away their jobs.
Israel has continued this policy of forcing a response from their neighbors and then using this as justification to use much more force to take more territory. Its not happening by accident. It’s a strategic move by Israel to provoke their neighbors, yet somehow people like you say the neighbors should have done nothing. Maybe Israel should do nothing. Who’s justified?
Depending on how far back you want to go, the Jews had lived in Israel for a long, long time before even their revolt against Hadrian in 135 AD. As for the first colonists returning to the territory in the 19th and 20th centuries, those Jews were facing persecution in their homelands.
The Suez Crisis I’m not sure on, but the six day war? Literally yes. Israel knew Egypt wasn’t going to attack and yet chose to do a “preemptive strike” anyway. Yom Kippur was then started to take back the territory lost in the six day war. As for the invasion of Lebanon, even if we accept that the PLO’s attack was anything but provoked by Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing, you do realize they didn’t just fight the PLO right? They then occupied a country that did nothing to them, causing among other things the creation of Hezbollah.
Good job putting peacetime in quotes, because during that “peacetime” Israel was airstriking Gaza and blockading it. These are straight up acts of war and justify and demand retaliation. Also Hezbollah didn’t launch rockets on Israel before October 7th.
Into Lebanese (some consider it Syrian, doesn’t change the dynamic) occupied territory before and after Oct 7th. Gradual escalation (with 80% of those attacks coming from Israeli side) expanded the scale of the northern/southern front to what we see today. Israel has killed 2 orders of magnitude more civilians than Hezballah has and has sought escalation at every stage.
Before Oct 7th, they would exchange fire in occupied Lebanese land and tensions would rise then fizzle out about once a month.
Israel should stop occupying territory in violation of dozens of international resolutions and blocking the establishment of a Palestinian state. Belligerent occupiers are in no position to be “provoked” by those who they are occupying. How many wars do the Palestinians get to wage because of the nakba (or countless other massacres) and subsequent colonization of remaining territory?
It’s odd how three genocidal powers well known for their human rights abuses are completely correct in every atrocity they’ve committed in the last century. Have a nice day, it was good talking to you.
They should… not subject people to Apartheid and ethnically cleanse them. That’d help.
The initial plan of the militants was to seize a luxury hotel in the Israeli city of Tel Aviv and take tourists and foreign ambassadors hostage to exchange them for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli custody.
Also you say Lebanon but what the fuck do you mean by “Lebanon”? They literally had a civil war at the time. Who exactly are you assigning blame to here and why does that excuse Israel expanding their Apartheid and massacres to another country?
Ah yes, that makes it so much better. It’s a shame it ended in the deaths of 32 innocent people.
It seems the death of the hostages was accidental so yeah? I don’t defend intentional murder of innocents but anti-colonial resistance has a lot of moral leeway when it comes to accidental deaths.
I don’t think you get to call the killings an accident when they went there to kidnap a bunch of people. If I break into someone’s house to kidnap a woman and I end up shooting her husband, that doesn’t make it any less a murder.
With the number of rockets Hamas and Hezbollah has launched into Israel during “peacetime” while being supplied by Iran, they’re doing a great job of staying enemies.
Did you know that the Gazan bomb disposal teams are some of the most skilled in the world? The reason for this is so they can disarm and disassemble unexploded Israeli bombs so that the explosives can be repurposed and fired back. So a surprisingly large portion of the explosives that Hamas used were supplied by Israel via their long-term sporadic bombing of Gaza and anything resembling major infrastructure.
Impressive feat. But Iran is still aiding and abetting Hamas’s military campaign against Israel.
Well maybe Israel should stop its brutal, decades-long apartheid campaign that’s pissing off all of its neighbors and pre-dates Hamas by around 50 years.
How many of these brutal wars were started by Israel completely unprovoked, and how many of them were started because Israel’s neighbors F-ed around before finding out?
I’m not talking about wars. I’m talking about Israeli apartheid, all of which was and continues to be enacted exclusively by Israel.
Arguably, all of them involving Israel were started by Israel. Colonists coming in and buying the farm, then refusing to hire the local non-jews who traditionally worked there, is going to provoke a response. They knew this, and it’s why they formed militias to attack them and use the response as justification to expand militarily. These militias were formed into the IDF when Israel officially became a nation.
Sure, you can also argue that buying up the land and not hiring the locals was “their right” but you can’t really complain when people lose their ability to survive because some foreigners come in and take away their jobs.
Israel has continued this policy of forcing a response from their neighbors and then using this as justification to use much more force to take more territory. Its not happening by accident. It’s a strategic move by Israel to provoke their neighbors, yet somehow people like you say the neighbors should have done nothing. Maybe Israel should do nothing. Who’s justified?
Depending on how far back you want to go, the Jews had lived in Israel for a long, long time before even their revolt against Hadrian in 135 AD. As for the first colonists returning to the territory in the 19th and 20th centuries, those Jews were facing persecution in their homelands.
Did Israel provoke the Suez Crisis? Did Israel provoke the Six-Day War? Or the Yom Kippur War? The 1982 Lebanon War? All of the times that militant groups have attacked Israeli civilians?
The Suez Crisis I’m not sure on, but the six day war? Literally yes. Israel knew Egypt wasn’t going to attack and yet chose to do a “preemptive strike” anyway. Yom Kippur was then started to take back the territory lost in the six day war. As for the invasion of Lebanon, even if we accept that the PLO’s attack was anything but provoked by Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing, you do realize they didn’t just fight the PLO right? They then occupied a country that did nothing to them, causing among other things the creation of Hezbollah.
Egypt knew that they’d be attacked if they blockaded Israel by sea and did it anyway. They then massed troops on the border, only to get whooped.
Which was a war provoked by Egypt.
Killing amassadors to foreign nations is obviously the correct solution to this sort of thing.
Syria has a long history of waging war with Israel, so yes.
Other than kill over 30 civilians in a kidnapping attempt and try to kill their ambassador.
Which wouldn’t be as strong today if Iran wasn’t supplying them. Iran has also been an enemy of Israel for a long time.
You say aiding and abetting like supporting anti-colonial resistance is a bad thing.
Yeah… yeah, I’d say supporting Hamas is bad. Or is there no sacrifice too large for the Resistance?
Good job putting peacetime in quotes, because during that “peacetime” Israel was airstriking Gaza and blockading it. These are straight up acts of war and justify and demand retaliation. Also Hezbollah didn’t launch rockets on Israel before October 7th.
Israel and Lebanon have a long, blood-soaked history. And the claim that Hezbollah didn’t launch rockets before October 7th is false.
Into Lebanese (some consider it Syrian, doesn’t change the dynamic) occupied territory before and after Oct 7th. Gradual escalation (with 80% of those attacks coming from Israeli side) expanded the scale of the northern/southern front to what we see today. Israel has killed 2 orders of magnitude more civilians than Hezballah has and has sought escalation at every stage.
Before Oct 7th, they would exchange fire in occupied Lebanese land and tensions would rise then fizzle out about once a month.
Lebanon is by no means innocent in this. These invasions haven’t been happening unprovoked. The 1978 invasion was because of a massacre of civilians, and the 1982 war started because of an attempted assassination on Israel’s PM. Should Israel just let their people get slaughtered?
Israel should stop occupying territory in violation of dozens of international resolutions and blocking the establishment of a Palestinian state. Belligerent occupiers are in no position to be “provoked” by those who they are occupying. How many wars do the Palestinians get to wage because of the nakba (or countless other massacres) and subsequent colonization of remaining territory?
This has all started because of an initial attempt at genocidal war against Israel and, following that, decades of attacks on the Jewish people.
Incredible how Israel poofs into existence in your framing. I hope you one day see the humanity of others. Goodbye.
It’s odd how three genocidal powers well known for their human rights abuses are completely correct in every atrocity they’ve committed in the last century. Have a nice day, it was good talking to you.
They should… not subject people to Apartheid and ethnically cleanse them. That’d help.
Also you say Lebanon but what the fuck do you mean by “Lebanon”? They literally had a civil war at the time. Who exactly are you assigning blame to here and why does that excuse Israel expanding their Apartheid and massacres to another country?
And would you prefer I had specified the PLO in that post? A major power in the area?
It seems the death of the hostages was accidental so yeah? I don’t defend intentional murder of innocents but anti-colonial resistance has a lot of moral leeway when it comes to accidental deaths.
I don’t think you get to call the killings an accident when they went there to kidnap a bunch of people. If I break into someone’s house to kidnap a woman and I end up shooting her husband, that doesn’t make it any less a murder.
They have a long blood soaked history that had mostly ended with the second Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 2006 before restarting last year.
And Hezbollah was the one that restarted it, in solidarity with Hamas.
Yes I do know that, but don’t claim they’ve been shooting rockets at Israel for the last 20 years.
So the statement that Hezbollah specifically has been continuously launching rockets for 20 years is false and I could have worded that better. Fair enough. But there’s still been quite a lot of attacks on Israel originating from Lebanon since 2006.
Lol, not being an Israel apologist here, but Hezbollah has been launching rockets at Israel since they were formed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah–Israel_conflict
Educate yourself.