He made a thousand dollar donation in support of proposition 8, a constitutional amendment in California that strips gay people of the right to marry. He then proceeded to argue that such a donation does not make him a bigot or an enemy of LGBTQ+ people, because he’s a delusional piece of filth.
This effectively prevented gay people from marrying in California from 2008 to 2013 until the fascists that supported it were finally done trying to argue how this doesn’t violate the US constitution.
So yeah, may he, his browser, and any pathethic excuse that pretends to be human being who supported this abomination rot in the deepest depths forever.
Except his donation is an endorsement. Endorsement = you paid someone else to suppress others, with the same end result if you had done it yourself. “I just gave money to support the oppression of people that did nothing to me. I didn’t push my personal beliefs onto any else. I’m not a bigot, and I don’t see why people are saying mean things about me!”
The codebase is irrelevant, I’ve already rated it, it’s another blink clone. As a product, on the other hand, you should definitely practice responsible consumerism. Aligning your values with your consumption is a good thing.
Tbh it was a bit of both for me. The API access was one thing, but the response to the backlash was revealing towards his views. The protest against the API access was focused on business, the backlash to Spez’s actions in response was focused on him.
Personally I’m here because of the way he went about trying to bully people who demonstrated against the API change.
I don’t really care about the API change myself because I didn’t even indirectly use it.
So yeah, it’s exactly not wanting to put money on the hands of such a person.
Don’t really know Brave, don’t really know its CEO, am a little iffy on the whole screwing of people’s livelihoods due to their personal political leanings but can see how people would not want to put money in the hands of a guy who wants to make a subset of people miserable (by forbidding them to marry those they love) for no good reason (no mature and mentally healthy person goes around judging other people’s love on the gender of whom they love).
Whilst I think that even haters should be able to survive (even they have basic human rights) it’s fair enough if their chances at prosperity beyond mere survival are negativelly affected by them being haters: after all, making life shit for others is fine with them, so as I see it, live by the sword die by the sword.
Thank you for taking the time to write such a down-to-earth and insightful comment! I totally agree with each of your points. Same reason I would never shop at Walmart/Sam’s Club, get takeout from Chic fil a, drive a Tesla, sleep on a MyPillow, etc.
The API was only the tip of the iceberg. When he came out and said he basically worships Elon and what he did to twitter I knew things weren’t going to improve.
I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time I use Lemmy. I disagree with its developers political views, but I believe they are doing something good for society. So maybe sometimes it’s good to make an exception.
Same reason people who boycott chic a filet over LGBT issues, it has nothing to do with the quality of their product it’s about not supporting someone who’s views and opinions are that only some people deserve equality.
Voting with your wallet is more effective than simply vocalizing disagreement while still supporting their product.
Most poeple responding said that it has nothing to do with it, but I would add that someone who has these view is more likely to implement unethical features
Touché. However the VW of today is vastly far-removed from VW during WW2.
In fact the only reason VW exists post WW2 is because of a British army captain who wanted to get the factory up and running and build some cars. He thought the design of the beetle was inexpensive, practical, and cool.
(Interesting sidenote, the designs of the Beetle were offered to British carmakers, who rejected it, stating that nobody would want a car so cheap and devoid of luxury. The Beetle went on to be the most popular car in the world.)
Continuing the analogy, VW is more like a fork of the original VW project started by the Nazi party.
Comparing Brendan eichtoo Hitler doesn’t seem logically coherent but let’s just use your fringe example. We do actually continue to use shit invented by Hitler all over the world to this day. Volkswagen to give an example. Lemmy is made by tankies. So… The answer is that so long as the thing is sufficiently useful. Yes.
The choice might not always be obvious. What if the project improves the society or saves human lives? In such case we might decide it’s better to support the project, but make it clear that we don’t support his other activities.
Why would you come to a place just to bitch about it? If you don’t like it here then fuuuck off. Go to ExplodingHeads or Rammy or even right the fuck back to Reddit. No one made you come here, vote with your feet. Or if you won’t do those things, then I beg you to take just a little less effort here and not post.
I swear to God, some of you fuckers are the kind of dudes that rock up to a lesbian bar, get kicked out for hitting on women at the lesbian bar, and then start pissing and moaning about how “no one is allowed to be real man anymore hurk durk durk durk” and calling the bouncers woketards.
The fact that their founder wants to ban gay marriage is enough reason for me to avoid it like the plague.
He fucking what?
He made a thousand dollar donation in support of proposition 8, a constitutional amendment in California that strips gay people of the right to marry. He then proceeded to argue that such a donation does not make him a bigot or an enemy of LGBTQ+ people, because he’s a delusional piece of filth.
This effectively prevented gay people from marrying in California from 2008 to 2013 until the fascists that supported it were finally done trying to argue how this doesn’t violate the US constitution.
So yeah, may he, his browser, and any pathethic excuse that pretends to be human being who supported this abomination rot in the deepest depths forever.
From his Blog post where he defends stripping same-sex couples of their equal right to marry.
“I refrain from putting my personal beliefs in others’ way. I hope for the same in return.”
Except his donation is an endorsement. Endorsement = you paid someone else to suppress others, with the same end result if you had done it yourself. “I just gave money to support the oppression of people that did nothing to me. I didn’t push my personal beliefs onto any else. I’m not a bigot, and I don’t see why people are saying mean things about me!”
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The codebase is irrelevant, I’ve already rated it, it’s another blink clone. As a product, on the other hand, you should definitely practice responsible consumerism. Aligning your values with your consumption is a good thing.
Totally agree. Why make someone richer who you ethically don’t align to. It just makes their agenda easier.
That’s why we’re all here instead of adding to Spez’s IPO.
Right, because it was totally his views in general, not just lack of API access…
Edit: Sorry guys, you’re right, the surge of Lemmy users that correspond to the hour of API access loss was DEFINITELY just coincidental.
Tbh it was a bit of both for me. The API access was one thing, but the response to the backlash was revealing towards his views. The protest against the API access was focused on business, the backlash to Spez’s actions in response was focused on him.
In particular, it was his view that he can impose himself on the community in such a way that takes us steps closer to a walled garden.
One was a reflection of the other.
Personally I’m here because of the way he went about trying to bully people who demonstrated against the API change.
I don’t really care about the API change myself because I didn’t even indirectly use it.
So yeah, it’s exactly not wanting to put money on the hands of such a person.
Don’t really know Brave, don’t really know its CEO, am a little iffy on the whole screwing of people’s livelihoods due to their personal political leanings but can see how people would not want to put money in the hands of a guy who wants to make a subset of people miserable (by forbidding them to marry those they love) for no good reason (no mature and mentally healthy person goes around judging other people’s love on the gender of whom they love).
Whilst I think that even haters should be able to survive (even they have basic human rights) it’s fair enough if their chances at prosperity beyond mere survival are negativelly affected by them being haters: after all, making life shit for others is fine with them, so as I see it, live by the sword die by the sword.
Thank you for taking the time to write such a down-to-earth and insightful comment! I totally agree with each of your points. Same reason I would never shop at Walmart/Sam’s Club, get takeout from Chic fil a, drive a Tesla, sleep on a MyPillow, etc.
The API was only the tip of the iceberg. When he came out and said he basically worships Elon and what he did to twitter I knew things weren’t going to improve.
I didn’t care about the api, I browsed via browser. The spez ama made me want to puke so I found this place.
Yea his views and actions matter.
I don’t disagree with you, but at the same time I use Lemmy. I disagree with its developers political views, but I believe they are doing something good for society. So maybe sometimes it’s good to make an exception.
Same reason people who boycott chic a filet over LGBT issues, it has nothing to do with the quality of their product it’s about not supporting someone who’s views and opinions are that only some people deserve equality.
Voting with your wallet is more effective than simply vocalizing disagreement while still supporting their product.
Everyone has a price when it comes to “can I still use/enjoy X when the author did seemingly unrelated thing Y”.
For example, can you still enjoy the music of The he Lost Prophets? I can’t.
Most poeple responding said that it has nothing to do with it, but I would add that someone who has these view is more likely to implement unethical features
Are you being purposely obtuse, bud?
Let’s go to extremes… If actual Hitler worked on a project should we all just use that project even though Hitler made it?
It’s called Volkswagen, one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world.
Touché. However the VW of today is vastly far-removed from VW during WW2.
In fact the only reason VW exists post WW2 is because of a British army captain who wanted to get the factory up and running and build some cars. He thought the design of the beetle was inexpensive, practical, and cool.
(Interesting sidenote, the designs of the Beetle were offered to British carmakers, who rejected it, stating that nobody would want a car so cheap and devoid of luxury. The Beetle went on to be the most popular car in the world.)
Continuing the analogy, VW is more like a fork of the original VW project started by the Nazi party.
Yes and I don’t buy them. Do you understand?
Comparing Brendan eichtoo Hitler doesn’t seem logically coherent but let’s just use your fringe example. We do actually continue to use shit invented by Hitler all over the world to this day. Volkswagen to give an example. Lemmy is made by tankies. So… The answer is that so long as the thing is sufficiently useful. Yes.
I don’t use VW or brave. That’s my point. It’s easy to wave away suffering if you benefit from that suffering.
You use thousands of products. A majority of them probably have some heinous shit behind their executives.
You’re absolutely right, but I try to make my contributions to suffering as low as I can.
The choice might not always be obvious. What if the project improves the society or saves human lives? In such case we might decide it’s better to support the project, but make it clear that we don’t support his other activities.
It doesn’t though.
If you invoke hitler, you already lost the argument.
If you say so.
It’s a boycott, not a code review.
I got my OS from north Korea, why on earth would I not trust it explicitly with any and all of my families information?
because the guys here are dumb woketards
Why would you come to a place just to bitch about it? If you don’t like it here then fuuuck off. Go to ExplodingHeads or Rammy or even right the fuck back to Reddit. No one made you come here, vote with your feet. Or if you won’t do those things, then I beg you to take just a little less effort here and not post.
I swear to God, some of you fuckers are the kind of dudes that rock up to a lesbian bar, get kicked out for hitting on women at the lesbian bar, and then start pissing and moaning about how “no one is allowed to be real man anymore hurk durk durk durk” and calling the bouncers woketards.
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