Fuck absolutely everyone who turns Lemmy into yet another Internet battlefield.
This is what the tankies do, would you rather have them just run roughshod all over Lemmy spreading hostile country authoritarian propaganda?
Leave .ml alone. Leave Hexbear alone. Even yes - leave Lemmygrad alone. People there will not change their opinion when facing hatred
Not about changing Tankie opinions, they’re too far gone, this is about pushing back on the spread of authoritarian BS.
and newbies coming there doesn’t change the big picture, as Lemmy is federated and they can figure stuff out for themselves.
“Don’t tell the new comers to town about the Nazis at the Nazi bar, let them figure it out for themselves so they have a negative experience and leave”
Trying to silence entire instances, especially the biggest ones, is absolutely not a welcoming picture to whoever’s coming here
If they’re (admins and mods) going to allow a toxic culture on their instance, then it doesn’t matter their size. Toxic Tankies is not a good look at all.
and being cut out and filtered for happening to choose the “wrong” instance is the worst possible greeting.
The worst possible greeting, is seeing Tankie shit takes with paragraphs of “Russia/China did nothing wrong” and everyone going “We let them post their stuff because we don’t want to hurt their fefes”
I’ll bash them too when I see them doing so. So long, it’s mostly them (or really, everyone leftier than liberals bunched along with actual tankies) that are under fire.
Your war made too much collateral damage, that’s what I’m saying. Newbies come to .ml and other popular instances, and are attacked on the spot for being presumably almost Nazis. Others come and see this mess.
You are so concerned about someone making China/Russia look better that you are ready to overlook everything else.
Don’t you know that defending against authoritarians is the real authoritarianism? Just look at how Ukraine is visiously provoking russia to invade by checks notes defending themselves during the invasion
Right. Everyone disagreeing with you is just an “other” that doesn’t belong to your group that should be rightfully ignored because they are lesser than you.
Oh happy day the liberals sure are superior to the rest of us and we would all know our place to respect that.
Just so you know I down voted you too. And hey look. No tankie or .ml
.ml participate in bad faith in conversations of course there are some normal downvotes but that technique has been used in the past. Since I have been tagging the worst offenders I have found their behaviour in terms of commenting/posting to be dogmatic. They rarely participate in non political themes and if they do some of them still spread their ideology. I don’t want explain too much… I understand that you disagree with me but since I have been investigating on my own I have been really surprised at how bad the problem was.
I didn’t intend for my response to sound passive aggressive or that your opinion did not matter (English is not my first language after all).
To clarify my previous position, I just want to say that I don’t disregard .ml opinions based on the origin of their instance. I was just trying to point out that a lot of problematic behaviour comes from some individuals on .ml.
That being said I just want Lemmy to succeed in general and when I see their behaviour, it pains me because I know the damage it does to lemmy as a whole. I noticed I take toxicity waaaaay more personally here rather than on reddit because It’s just corporate shit anyway.
You are right though I could be spending my time doing better things rather than waisting it calling out pro-genocide/genocide deniers/authoritarians who paint themselves as "socialists/communists”
In their defence posts like these, especially in this community, serves no other purpose rather than to stir things up and get a reaction.
Yeah this post was a shit stirrer for people to get an easy hit of emotional payoff.
I also want this place to succeed but people spending every day lamenting the way that other people are living doesn’t make this place feel inviting. And there will always be idiots and people being bad about something or another.
I hope you find yourself doing stuff you enjoy or makes the world better instead of just hunting down all the ways for it to make you feel worse.
This is what the tankies do, would you rather have them just run roughshod all over Lemmy spreading hostile country authoritarian propaganda?
Not about changing Tankie opinions, they’re too far gone, this is about pushing back on the spread of authoritarian BS.
“Don’t tell the new comers to town about the Nazis at the Nazi bar, let them figure it out for themselves so they have a negative experience and leave”
If they’re (admins and mods) going to allow a toxic culture on their instance, then it doesn’t matter their size. Toxic Tankies is not a good look at all.
The worst possible greeting, is seeing Tankie shit takes with paragraphs of “Russia/China did nothing wrong” and everyone going “We let them post their stuff because we don’t want to hurt their fefes”
I’ll bash them too when I see them doing so. So long, it’s mostly them (or really, everyone leftier than liberals bunched along with actual tankies) that are under fire.
Your war made too much collateral damage, that’s what I’m saying. Newbies come to .ml and other popular instances, and are attacked on the spot for being presumably almost Nazis. Others come and see this mess.
You are so concerned about someone making China/Russia look better that you are ready to overlook everything else.
Of course, genocide is such a small thing compared to people feeling uncomfortable.
Don’t you know that defending against authoritarians is the real authoritarianism? Just look at how Ukraine is visiously provoking russia to invade by checks notes defending themselves during the invasion
lol look at the downvotes on this one… these tankies coordinate themselves against opinions that they don’t like. it’s ridiculously obvious.
Right. Everyone disagreeing with you is just an “other” that doesn’t belong to your group that should be rightfully ignored because they are lesser than you.
Oh happy day the liberals sure are superior to the rest of us and we would all know our place to respect that.
Just so you know I down voted you too. And hey look. No tankie or .ml
.ml participate in bad faith in conversations of course there are some normal downvotes but that technique has been used in the past. Since I have been tagging the worst offenders I have found their behaviour in terms of commenting/posting to be dogmatic. They rarely participate in non political themes and if they do some of them still spread their ideology. I don’t want explain too much… I understand that you disagree with me but since I have been investigating on my own I have been really surprised at how bad the problem was.
And what?
Holy crap that’s the least “human I wish to spend any time with” ever response. This is what you are spending your time on? Oh my God.
I’m sorry I came across in the wrong manner.
I didn’t intend for my response to sound passive aggressive or that your opinion did not matter (English is not my first language after all).
To clarify my previous position, I just want to say that I don’t disregard .ml opinions based on the origin of their instance. I was just trying to point out that a lot of problematic behaviour comes from some individuals on .ml.
That being said I just want Lemmy to succeed in general and when I see their behaviour, it pains me because I know the damage it does to lemmy as a whole. I noticed I take toxicity waaaaay more personally here rather than on reddit because It’s just corporate shit anyway.
You are right though I could be spending my time doing better things rather than waisting it calling out pro-genocide/genocide deniers/authoritarians who paint themselves as "socialists/communists”
In their defence posts like these, especially in this community, serves no other purpose rather than to stir things up and get a reaction.
Yeah this post was a shit stirrer for people to get an easy hit of emotional payoff.
I also want this place to succeed but people spending every day lamenting the way that other people are living doesn’t make this place feel inviting. And there will always be idiots and people being bad about something or another.
I hope you find yourself doing stuff you enjoy or makes the world better instead of just hunting down all the ways for it to make you feel worse.
Well said, I completely agree.