• @[email protected]
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    341 month ago

    From what the manifesto found on him allegedly said, it sounds like his actions were politically motivated. And violence in pursuit of a political goal is kinda the definition of terrorism.

    • Dragon Rider (drag)
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      571 month ago

      George Washington used violence to advance his political agenda of a sovereign USA. Was George a terrorist?

          • @[email protected]
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            1 month ago

            Exactly. The baddies are called ‘terrorists’. The term the media uses to describe good terrorists is ‘rebels’ and sometimes ‘freedom fighters’.

      • @imposedsensation
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        131 month ago

        Yes, he was a good terrorist. He wasn’t captured by the enemy.

        Luigi was pretty dumb wearing that creepy outfit at a McD. He was captured. Regardless of how you feel about him, being captured was a major failure.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)
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          131 month ago

          Yeah, Luigi fucked up so bad that he wasn’t even the shooter and he still got caught /irony

      • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝
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        51 month ago

        If he used violence against noncombatants.

        Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terror attacks though.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)
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          71 month ago

          Oh, well then Muad’dib isn’t a terrorist because he only killed a mass murderer. Military brass are considered combatants, and Brian ordered thousands to their deaths.

          • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝
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            130 days ago

            The US generally holds that only foreign individuals and organisations can be terrorists. So if Luigi can be charged with terrorism, so can the KKK.

    • @[email protected]
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      81 month ago

      No?

      It’s very obviously an action made with intent to cause terror. It doesn’t have to be political or violent. There is often an aspect of violence and political motivation but it isn’t a requirement

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          Well then define non-combatants. The person he shot was at fault for hundreds if not thousands of deaths. Saying he didn’t personally do them would be like saying a general is not responsible for their troops actions.

          • TheRealKuni
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            41 month ago

            Well then define non-combatants.

            “a person who is not engaged in fighting during a war, especially a civilian, chaplain, or medical practitioner.”

            Sure he was responsible for deaths due to denying health coverage. But he’s still a civilian.

            • @bollybing
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              So is the president, who orders drone strikes on civilians.

                • @bollybing
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                  128 days ago

                  I would have agreed with you until the supreme Court ruled otherwise to protect trump.

            • @[email protected]
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              11 month ago

              So it was a civilian on civilian kill. Not a militant group/gang/mercenary.

              If the “battle” was pertaining to healthcare denials, he was currently battling and his group took up battle after he was gone.

              • TheRealKuni
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                41 month ago

                The perpetrator of an act of terrorism isn’t part of the definition. They need not be affiliated with a group or military.

                I find it curious how many people on Lemmy were gleefully posting about CEOs and billionaires being scared because of this attack, and then to see push-back about the label of terrorism (where fear is part of the outcome, hence the name).

                The saying is “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter,” right?

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                  I get that we aren’t likely to agree. But “my version” of what terrorism is… You know because I’m an entitled person who gets to make shit up… but you’ll get what I mean… is to instill fear in the masses by performing an act. When you fly into a building, people say “they could have flown into my building”. When you launch a missile at a housing complex, people think that could have been my housing complex (gave up on quotes). When you blow up a communication device or a car… People think that could have been my car, phone, pager.

                  When you kill a CEO, no one is worried for their life when they say “that could have been my CEO”. They are more like shit… I wonder if Tim would get that job? Fuck I hope it’s not Pam. So unless the masses are being terrorized by an army of Pam’s… I just think it’s not terrorism

                  • TheRealKuni
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                    229 days ago

                    I actually don’t disagree. That’s certainly the connotation that comes with “terrorism.”

                    It’s also not how the legal definition works, unfortunately, which is just vague enough to let the FBI decide what is and isn’t terrorism based on how they feel about something. As I understand it, anyway. And since what he did falls under the legal definition, they can charge him with it.

        • @[email protected]
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          31 month ago

          “Different definitions of terrorism emphasize its randomness, its aim to instill fear, and its broader impact beyond its immediate victims.”

          From the article you cited

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          Its wildly overused though isnt it. Anyone can say almost anything and claim its political. And in the case of your definition, governments leverage terrorism on many of us on a day to day basis. Every protest met with force is terrorism, by that definition you proffered. So do we have a right of self defense against politically motivated violence?

          • @[email protected]
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            11 month ago

            It’s usually applied to a non state actor, not a government.

            The sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, for example, isn’t generally considered a terrorist attack.