I feel like the courts hands were tied here. How do you put a man who was just elected to be the next president in prison, or even on probation? Ultimately, the decision was made by the American voters.
That being said, even if Trump had lost this election, he still probably wouldn’t have done any time in prison, since he still would have been a former president, and that would have been a tricky enough situation.
What the fuck are you saying? Courts hands were tied?? USA is a constitutional democracy, not a mobocracy. Judiciary is to be independent. Blind justice weighing facts of the case and here president or not is irrelevant.
The supreme court seems to have decided not to block the sentencing if there’s no incarceration. Seems like the judge took the best step forward as there will be an appeal anyway.
Like I want Trump locked up, along with any politician who claimed the election was stolen.
But the fact is, the orange shit won 2024 and in 9 days (uuuugh) will fully pardon himself making any punishment nullified.
If the various governments actually wanted to punish Trump (they don’t, unfortunately) they would have actually done something and took advantage of the FOUR FUCKING YEARS that there was a possibility of their cases making any impact at all.
Our broken justice system is slower than our corrupt political cycle, which lets those in power do whatever they want.
I think the political establishment is more concerned with maintaining stability than pursuing justice. They’re desperately trying to hold together a system that, as you point out, is falling apart. It may very well be a futile effort, but I understand why they’re doing it. Especially since our system was never really set up to prioritize justice in the first place.
I get that a lot of people are ready for the whole thing to just burn to the ground, and that might have always been inevitable, but if/when it does happen, it’s going to suck. A collapse of the United States wouldn’t be pleasant.
At this point, they’re attempting to hold together a system that’s hurtling headlong into fascist authoritarianism. Unpleasant it might be but at this point where we’re headed is likely far worse.
I would. Even if it was “sentence is delayed 4years and 12 days.” Try to be fair and serve justice and let the bad guys be the ones to work on how to disrupt the rule of law further.
It would not collapse. If prison made being president impossible then we would just use his Vice President. Being the replacement is 90 percent of their job.
I don’t know how you can be so certain, but you could be right. It doesn’t make any difference, though, because that’s not what’s happening. Trump isn’t going to prison. If there’s something you think you can do to change that, go for it.
Oh I know what’s actually happening. I also know all of the justifications they’re using to defend this example of sheer corruption are themselves utterly morally bankrupt. You cannot have a democracy without accountability.
I don’t know why you think they give a rats ass about morality or democracy. I suppose because they say they value those things? I guess you’ve never heard of this thing people do called lying.
I feel like the courts hands were tied here. How do you put a man who was just elected to be the next president in prison, or even on probation? Ultimately, the decision was made by the American voters.
That being said, even if Trump had lost this election, he still probably wouldn’t have done any time in prison, since he still would have been a former president, and that would have been a tricky enough situation.
What the fuck are you saying? Courts hands were tied?? USA is a constitutional democracy, not a mobocracy. Judiciary is to be independent. Blind justice weighing facts of the case and here president or not is irrelevant.
The judge thought it was relevant. You disagree, I get that, but I don’t know what to tell you. Send the judge a strongly worded letter, I guess.
The supreme court seems to have decided not to block the sentencing if there’s no incarceration. Seems like the judge took the best step forward as there will be an appeal anyway.
Well you start by arresting him and you end by keeping him in prison until the end of his sentence.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Exactly the same as every other person. Nobody should be above the law.
Never know until we try.
I don’t think we can, honestly.
Like I want Trump locked up, along with any politician who claimed the election was stolen.
But the fact is, the orange shit won 2024 and in 9 days (uuuugh) will fully pardon himself making any punishment nullified.
If the various governments actually wanted to punish Trump (they don’t, unfortunately) they would have actually done something and took advantage of the FOUR FUCKING YEARS that there was a possibility of their cases making any impact at all.
Our broken justice system is slower than our corrupt political cycle, which lets those in power do whatever they want.
He cannot pardon himself from state charges.
Yeah, but you can see why people who don’t want to see the US federal government potentially collapse into chaos wouldn’t want to try it, right?
The social contract is in pieces on the ground. If those in power no longer provide justice the people will create their own justice.
I think the political establishment is more concerned with maintaining stability than pursuing justice. They’re desperately trying to hold together a system that, as you point out, is falling apart. It may very well be a futile effort, but I understand why they’re doing it. Especially since our system was never really set up to prioritize justice in the first place.
I get that a lot of people are ready for the whole thing to just burn to the ground, and that might have always been inevitable, but if/when it does happen, it’s going to suck. A collapse of the United States wouldn’t be pleasant.
At this point, they’re attempting to hold together a system that’s hurtling headlong into fascist authoritarianism. Unpleasant it might be but at this point where we’re headed is likely far worse.
I can’t get into that mindset anymore. Let it burn.
I would. Even if it was “sentence is delayed 4years and 12 days.” Try to be fair and serve justice and let the bad guys be the ones to work on how to disrupt the rule of law further.
I know, but clearly not everyone would, and those are the people making the decision.
It would not collapse. If prison made being president impossible then we would just use his Vice President. Being the replacement is 90 percent of their job.
I don’t know how you can be so certain, but you could be right. It doesn’t make any difference, though, because that’s not what’s happening. Trump isn’t going to prison. If there’s something you think you can do to change that, go for it.
Oh I know what’s actually happening. I also know all of the justifications they’re using to defend this example of sheer corruption are themselves utterly morally bankrupt. You cannot have a democracy without accountability.
I don’t know why you think they give a rats ass about morality or democracy. I suppose because they say they value those things? I guess you’ve never heard of this thing people do called lying.
Yeah but if you don’t call it out then people will think this is normal.