People aren’t tortured with an iron maiden, but when you have conditions like under trump in 2020, and the suicide rate in ice detention jumped 11 times higher than the previous 10 year average, I don’t think you can suggest ice detention is that far away from concentration camps.
Also, Gitmo isn’t for enemy combatants - they can chuck anyone suspected of terrorism in there, even US citizens. It most definitely isn’t exclusively “war crimes”.
You’re splitting hairs here for the sake of winning an argument. There’s no practical difference between cruelty and torture to the people suffering it. “Oh and don’t worry about it, because it’s only hundreds, not thousands in this particular torture cruelty facility”.
And as far as genocide goes, you’re moving the goal posts here, but if we’re playing that game, the native Americans might have something to say about that.
I mean, going back to the original argument here, my overarching point is really that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones and the US’s track record of authoritarianism and human rights abuses is comparable enough to make them just as untrustworthy at the most and certainly not in any position to criticise a state who is trying to manage billions of people at the least.
People aren’t tortured with an iron maiden, but when you have conditions like under trump in 2020, and the suicide rate in ice detention jumped 11 times higher than the previous 10 year average, I don’t think you can suggest ice detention is that far away from concentration camps.
Also, Gitmo isn’t for enemy combatants - they can chuck anyone suspected of terrorism in there, even US citizens. It most definitely isn’t exclusively “war crimes”.
Negligence (and even cruelty) is different from literal torture and (allegedly) extermination of an ethnic/religious group.
Also, gitmo holds hundreds of people, not hundreds of thousands.
You’re splitting hairs here for the sake of winning an argument. There’s no practical difference between cruelty and torture to the people suffering it. “Oh and don’t worry about it, because it’s only hundreds, not thousands in this particular
torturecruelty facility”.And as far as genocide goes, you’re moving the goal posts here, but if we’re playing that game, the native Americans might have something to say about that.
I mean, going back to the original argument here, my overarching point is really that people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones and the US’s track record of authoritarianism and human rights abuses is comparable enough to make them just as untrustworthy at the most and certainly not in any position to criticise a state who is trying to manage billions of people at the least.