FOSS doesn’t mean uncensored. I would consider myself left, but I am against the prevailing opinion against free speech. If you ban or censor people for having opposing opinions, then you hinder social progress and free discourse. Disallowing people to express their opinions means their opinion doesn’t get challenged. If you want to change people’s minds to agree with you, you have to let them freely express their current opinions without undue consequences such as censorship, banning, or job loss.
It is extremely weird to me how many people I talk to on the left that are totally fine with doing away with free speech. I’m glad there are people like you that still exist. Sadly you appear to be a fairly small minority on the left…well at least on this site and most of the internet. Seems moderate lefts either don’t speak up or don’t use social media much for some reason.
I have tried explaining why echo chambers and shutting down anyone you disagree with is bad so many times and you just get downvoted for saying that around here which is nuts. Most of these people seem to WANT to be in an echo chamber. Very concerning.
I agree. I just think the FOSS community should take censorship more seriously. Have you also noticed that all posts in this community are down-voted? I think that’s strange.
This one made it to All, I think that might influence it as many people probably instinctively downvote any post they see in a ‘conservative’ community. Downvoting is free speech though, at least it’s not censoring it. Just know that I upvoted it.
Are you part of the old left, or old school left, that is against corporations, whether it’s being against Google, being against pharmacudical companies, being anti-war, and for free speech? I’m honestly asking, I think that’s what the old left was. Today’s left demands for a totalitarian tyrant to rule the planet.
I think that everyone just by dint of existing should be given what they need to survive and be comfortable by the people who are lucky enough to be able to provide it without detriment to themselves. If they don’t do it voluntarily, I also support the democratically elected government intervening to redistribute resources from the 1% to the lower class, and for the government to provide public services in general, such as free public transport, education, medical care. I also support respecting all people regardless of any characteristics of themself which they didn’t choose and can’t change, and accommodating changes in behaviour which, within reason, make them more comfortable. Also, don’t torment and eat non human animals which can’t consent and feel pain.
And above all, I support people’s right to freely disagree with me, and have discussions, without the danger of groupthink/hivemind-like censorship which only serves to reinforce peoples own biases.
If that’s what you think as a leftist, I can happily live with you while disagree. On several things, I think I would disagree with you on policy but I would agree with you about the principal. Some other things, we would have to disagree and simply leave it at that, but there would not be any kind of animosity or hostility.
FOSS doesn’t mean uncensored. I would consider myself left, but I am against the prevailing opinion against free speech. If you ban or censor people for having opposing opinions, then you hinder social progress and free discourse. Disallowing people to express their opinions means their opinion doesn’t get challenged. If you want to change people’s minds to agree with you, you have to let them freely express their current opinions without undue consequences such as censorship, banning, or job loss.
It is extremely weird to me how many people I talk to on the left that are totally fine with doing away with free speech. I’m glad there are people like you that still exist. Sadly you appear to be a fairly small minority on the left…well at least on this site and most of the internet. Seems moderate lefts either don’t speak up or don’t use social media much for some reason.
I have tried explaining why echo chambers and shutting down anyone you disagree with is bad so many times and you just get downvoted for saying that around here which is nuts. Most of these people seem to WANT to be in an echo chamber. Very concerning.
I agree. I just think the FOSS community should take censorship more seriously. Have you also noticed that all posts in this community are down-voted? I think that’s strange.
This one made it to All, I think that might influence it as many people probably instinctively downvote any post they see in a ‘conservative’ community. Downvoting is free speech though, at least it’s not censoring it. Just know that I upvoted it.
Doesn’t downvoting hide the post? Isn’t that kind of censoring?
It doesnt. This post is on All. Everyone is seeing it.
Are you part of the old left, or old school left, that is against corporations, whether it’s being against Google, being against pharmacudical companies, being anti-war, and for free speech? I’m honestly asking, I think that’s what the old left was. Today’s left demands for a totalitarian tyrant to rule the planet.
I think that everyone just by dint of existing should be given what they need to survive and be comfortable by the people who are lucky enough to be able to provide it without detriment to themselves. If they don’t do it voluntarily, I also support the democratically elected government intervening to redistribute resources from the 1% to the lower class, and for the government to provide public services in general, such as free public transport, education, medical care. I also support respecting all people regardless of any characteristics of themself which they didn’t choose and can’t change, and accommodating changes in behaviour which, within reason, make them more comfortable. Also, don’t torment and eat non human animals which can’t consent and feel pain.
And above all, I support people’s right to freely disagree with me, and have discussions, without the danger of groupthink/hivemind-like censorship which only serves to reinforce peoples own biases.
Also, obligatory
If that’s what you think as a leftist, I can happily live with you while disagree. On several things, I think I would disagree with you on policy but I would agree with you about the principal. Some other things, we would have to disagree and simply leave it at that, but there would not be any kind of animosity or hostility.