• gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
    17·
    1 year ago

    An awful lot of people at the time, especially black people, believed he was framed by the LAPD. And they tried to, despite the fact he actually did it, which came out during the trial.

    In retrospect, most people realize that he was definitely guilty, but that, because of the corruption of the LAPD, the racism during the trial, and how mishandled everything was, the trial was totally fucked. As a result, OJ got off.

    • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/g59vq1/oj_simpson_didnt_kill_nicole_and_ron_it_was_his/

      Why does everyone feel the need to reiterate that he did it when we literally do not know whether or not he did?

      The only source you have is an explicitly racist LAPD investigation that admitted to following up on no other leads and fabricating evidence.

      Meanwhile we have a private investigator who spent years investigating the case and came up with ample evidence pointing to his son Jason, including the fact that OJ got a defense attorney for Jason before anyone else.

      • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        Well, I’m not clicking a link to Reddit, and don’t expect many people on lemmy to.

        Second, the evidence in the case was overwhelmingly against OJ, if you can wade past the massive amount of bullshit that occurred during the trial. He was, very obviously, guilty as shit.

        He murdered those two people without a doubt. The evidence proves it unquestionably.

        But the spectacle of the case, the plotting and corruption of the LAPD, the bungling of the investigation, the fervor in LA after the Rodney King fiasco, the massive bungling of the prosecution and Marsha Clark, the national media frenzy surrounding the case, the loss of perspective by Judge Ito, soooo many factors at play, and it just became unhinged… nothing was real anymore.

        I remember watching it all happen, and I knew, before the trial even began, that it would never be a real fair trial. It would be a tv show, and no justice would happen. And it was exactly that. The public got what they wanted: a ridiculous circus, and a disgusting thing that everyone would live to regret— except, of course, the monster who got free.

        • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
          8·
          1 year ago

          But fine, from /u/redroverdover on /r/unpopularopinion

          OJ Simpson didn’t kill Nicole and Ron. It was his son, Jason.

          Jason was a sous chef. He quite literally had a set of knives on him that very night.

          Jason had a punch out ticket to clock out at work. But that night he didn’t use it. His time that he left was written in for the first time ever. This means no one knows when he actually really left.

          Jason lied about his whereabouts and said he was with his girlfriend. It later came out during the civil deposition that he had lied. He then claimed he was home alone after work. He had absolutely no alibi for the time of the murders. None. When this line of questioning took place, Jason got very nervous and the lawyer asked what was going on, and they immediately took a break. Came back from break and this line of questioning was not revisited.

          Jason was supposed to cook for Nicole and the kids that night, and Nicole changed her mind and went to another restaurant instead. This would have ticked him off. Why would it have ticked him off? He had rage issues and a possible crush on Nicole, as well as disdain. A lot of weird feelings.

          Jason, at the time of the murders, was on probation for threatening a prior boss with a knife. Seriously.

          Jason had threatened suicide to a girlfriend in an argument and stabbed himself.

          Jason attended the Army and Navy Academy, was trained with a knife.

          Jason had been taking depakote for his rage. He was off his meds at the time.

          Jason when he was much younger as a teen was in charge of his youngest sister swimming in the pool with no one else around. She drowned to death. OJ and his wife broke up soon after, splitting the family apart. From here, OJ would end up wifing Nicole. This context is very important.

          Whoever killed Nicole and Ron would have been covered in blood. Remember, Ron put up a fight. Getting into a car certainly would have meant more than a few drops of blood. We never got to see Jason’s Jeep. But we do know that it was left out in the rain uncovered after the murders.

          The only person on this planet OJ Simpson would have covered for what have been his son. Really think about that. Not anyone else but his son, whom he also felt he had failed in life. He felt responsible for him, paid his way through life, and this was his first son.

          So the theory is that Jason in his rage went to Nicole’s home to confront her about dinner. He realized what was happening with Ron. He went back and got a knife from his Jeep and came back and killed them in rage. Jason didn’t give a shit that his step brother and sister were in the house sleep. He just raged out.

          these were the earlier days of cell phones. And the cops never looked at cel phone records. Jason called his dad on his cell phone and told him he needed to come over. OJ showed up, saw what Jason did and split his hand open in anger hitting something. He ordered Jason to go home and clean up and get rid of the clothes and he would go home as well and pretend like nothing happened. That night he also called a lawyer for Jason. Yes, the next day Jason already had a lawyer. Fact. No one else but Jason already had a lawyer. And when the police tried to question him they were rebuffed. But they didn’t try hard. Christopher darden wanted to go after him but was rebuffed. The focus was to be entirely on OJ.

          Jason Simpson got away with murder and OJ Simpson got away with messing with the crime scene and accessory to murder at worst.

          The knit cap that OJ supposedly wore had dog hairs in it that were unexplained.

          There are pictures of Jason wearing the same knit cap, or a variation of it with his dog. https://www.altereddimensions.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/image120.png

          https://i.insider.com/4f870efe69bedd1f1300000a?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp

          Look at this guy. He has the build and he was youthful enough to do this. OJ could have very easily gifted the pair of shoes to his son.

          And there is more. Much more.

          there’s more that points Jason to the death than OJ for sure.

          we know at the time that he had a set of knives on them and was unaccounted for. we know who you was on probation for attacking someone with a knife. We know he was off his depakote meds for his intermediate rage disorder. We know he was angry with Nicole. We know he wore these knit caps. knives, violence, rage, trained with a knife.

          This is your guy.

          The riage behind OJ is so pronounced that people will never admit their mistakes. The race issue is so deeply embedded. You say OJ didn’t do it and people lose their minds. but once you follow down the rabbit hole about his son Jason you realize that everyone was wrong. OJ wasn’t guilty of murder but he surely wasn’t innocent either.

          Check out the book by Bill Deer. Look at the facts for yourself. The actual facts. Read the civil deposition yourself. You will see something is horrifically wrong here.

          EDIT:

          So you guys are confused here about his schooling. I apologize. Ill explain. This is not about West Point or the Naval Academy.

          Yes there is Army and Navy Academy.

          https://armyandnavyacademy.org/

          Army and Navy Academy is a college-preparatory boarding school for boys, grades 7–12, in Carlsbad, California. It was founded in 1910.

          This is where he got field knife training and hand to hand combat training.

          • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
            5·
            1 year ago

            Wow, that’s some down-the-rabbit-hole conspiracy theory stuff. Loony tunes!

            Prove it— from a reliable source.

            • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
              6·
              1 year ago

              Will you accept any source that isn’t what you saw in a racist trial? Cna you cite which books youve read on the subject?

              But keep on going with your white pledge of allegiance, always reiterating that you know OJ did it without ever having actually looked into it beyond the evidence collected by a racist cop.

              Those are the facts as presented and published by William Dear, a private investigator who worked on the case. Do we know without a doubt that Jason killed her? No. But we also don’t know without a doubt that he didn’t, and we do know without a doubt that the evidence collected and presented at trial was incredibly flawed and in some cases outright fabricated.

              • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
                4·
                1 year ago

                I’m not the one trying to prove a point here so I do t see why I should do your work for you. If you can’t cite any other source than Reddit, then that’s not my problem.

                And if all you can do if feebly pull the race card because you can’t cite a better source than Reddit, well that’s speaks more about you than me.

                • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
                  6·
                  1 year ago

                  Literally comes from William Dear, a private investigator who worked the case and his published book.

                  Again, where is your evidence from? A racist cop who admitted to fabricating evidence?

                  Please cite the book you read on the subject if your source of evidence isn’t just the racist and incompetent lapd investigation.

                  • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
                    2·
                    1 year ago

                    Ooo, so impressive. Prove it— from a reliable source.

                    And I never made a claim— you did. you’re the one with something to prove— so do so. From a verified, reliable source, not some bullshit comment on Reddit.

          • Fredselfish@lemmy.world
            2·
            1 year ago

            Interesting never heard any of this. But last time I checked there is not satistory on murder so how come Jason still walking free?

        • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          Well, I’m not clicking a link to Reddit, and don’t expect many people on lemmy to.

          Then I’m not going to read your comment and I don’t expect anyone on Lemmy to read the comment of someone who didn’t even bother to read the link but still wanted to hear themselves type.

          You can read the link and respond to the substance of it, or don’t bother responding.

          There’s taking a pointless stand, and then there’s taking a pointless stand. Jesus Christ learn how to use Tor if you’re going to be that dogmatic.

          • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            Wow, such a tantrum over something you claim isn’t a big deal, lol.

              • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                Your response didn’t have substance because it was a Reddit link.

                That’s not me being a dick, that’s you not reading the room. Where do you think you are?

                • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
                  3·
                  1 year ago

                  Like I said, learn how to use Tor rather than make your pointless quixotic quest other people’s problems

                  • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
                    1·
                    1 year ago

                    Your inability to properly source your claim is your problem, not mine.

      • Fredselfish@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        The motherfucker wrote a book telling you he killed her. And he got away with it because of double jeopardy laws. I wish there was a heaven and hell because then he could be judge guilty. Because he was just fucking cops fucking even that up.