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Morale is low for the Dali’s crew members, stranded on board by ongoing investigation into tragedy.
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Fascinating side of this story I hadn’t even thought of until reading this.
I can’t believe the FBI confiscated these poor bastards call phones, haven’t already copied all the requisite logs and data to return them, and didn’t immediately set them up with temporary ones, or allow them to retrieve their contact information, or let them onto shore, or even another boat, or anything.
These poor fuckers have been trapped on that ship for months now, and made to stay onboard while the Coast Guard literally blows off explosives and tons of steel from it’s bow.
This is unbelievable (though completely believable). I’m gobsmacked.
Hope these guys are getting paid for every second they spend on the ship, and every second they spend until they are once again safely home.
I’m not discounting anything you said but this crew also killed six people with their negligence and knocked down a bridge. I feel worse for the families of the workers on the bridge they killed then I do them.
As far as I know, the crew did everything correctly, including alerting authorities to shut down traffic to the bridge. The one at fault here is the owner of the ship, who was deliberately forgoing repairs to squeeze out as much profit as possible.
capitalism wins again
Well, everything except going on strike and refusing to set sail until the ship was maintained properly, at least…
Bit of a weird take. The ship had faulty equipment and the crew did what it could to try to avert the disaster.
The ship’s owners are who you should blame.
Fair enough, but that still does not justify them being stuck on a ship for several months, because 1) there is no “due process” (search online for it’s proper definition and not the perversed US instituonalist definition), 2) it’s punishment without verdict, and 3) it’s inhumane. Actually, it’s an edge case the US judicial system is not capable of handling, because the US judiciary is lead by morons.
Again, you don’t get to justify this kind of treatment of people “because they did bad”. What’s next, a return to witch burning because the milk soured? The average deck hand, who had no power or influence over the matter, should have weeks of their pay disappear, because they are lightly implicated, meaning their families will go without food? Nuts to that.
Why do yanks continuously defend, deflect and try to gloss over their own governments incompetence and unethical behaviour? The US needs dire judicial reform.
I think you might have replied to my comment by accident.
Am I allowed to blame the moral hazard caused by the corporate diffusion of responsibility?
Definitely. Global shipping is riddled with moral hazard and artificial externalities.
Excuse me, wtf? You’re not “discounting”, but indirectly condemning the whole crew when obviously it was the navigator and captain responsible for the negligence? Not only that, but almost indirectly affirming that they all deserve to be there?
“Oh I’m sorry, but this is ancient Egypt and you must be buried with the pharaoh.”
Prick. And no, don’t come at me with “but those 6 people who died”, because that justifies nothing.
The ship had an engineering casualty which led to a loss of control. The navigator didn’t decide to drive into the bridge.
The captain is ultimately responsible, but the crew is not without fault.
You’re not “discounting”, but indirectly condemning the whole crew when obviously it was the navigator and captain responsible for the negligence?
Passing through a zone where there is possibility for a collision is normally an all hands on deck situation. So yes, they are partially at fault.
Prick. And no, don’t come at me with “but those 6 people who died”, because that justifies nothing.
Tell me how you really feel. As stated before I feel bad for them, this entire ordeal sucks for everyone, but I feel WORSE for the people that will not see their loved ones again. And name calling, really?
Held without trial and modern America. Name a more iconic duo, I’ll wait.
What are you waiting for? A witty retort that inspires an argument? Nothing I have said states that I agree with the treatment of the crew by the American government.
Yeah, you did. You basically indirectly justified it, a favoured tactic by republican think tanks.
“Corporate punishment is bad because the state shouldn’t get to kill people.”
“BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RAPIST’S AND PEDOPHILES AND ALL THE EVIL PEOPLE incidentally I’m pro-life”…
Same energy and tactic, bro.
I’m glad that you don’t agree with the treatment of the crew by the American government.
Cute jingoism.
What perfect country are you from again?
For someone with such strong opinions about this, I don’t think you know much about the operation of cargo ships…
Innocent until proven guilty
This is absolutely nightmarish to be stuck at your job like this.
I didn’t even think about that! If someone tried to keep me at work for months I’d be crawling through the ventilation system Bruce Willas Diehard style to escape.
Surely get paid
The crew, made up of 20 Indians and a Sri Lankan national, has been unable to disembark because of visa restrictions, a lack of required shore passes and parallel ongoing investigations by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) and FBI.
On Monday, the crew remained on board even as authorities used small explosive charges to deliberately “cut” an expanse of the bridge lying on the ship’s bow.
Would they treat Europeans like this? This is only happening because they’re brown.
If the Europeans had visa restrictions they would.
Like if they were Brits lol
I shared this news with my mother, she had already known and understood the reasoning behind keeping the crew aboard. Shocking to be honest. Like, nobody can let them back on shore and give them a few hotel rooms? Let’s just have controlled explosions around foreign nationals because rules??
This also happened with the crew of the Ever Given for months, after it was dislodged from the Suez Canal: https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/09/ever-given-suez-crew-stuck-shipping/
I know it wouldn’t be fun to actually experience but I’ve always thought it would be fun to be stranded somewhere on a boat
