• @[email protected]
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    376 months ago

    thanks for sharing. I’ve been feeling pretty hopeless lately and this helped me today

    • db0OP
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      176 months ago

      Feel free to chill around here. I’m all about uplifting peeps!

      • @[email protected]
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        I mean I hear you but the top three posts talk to a depressing dystopian present. Even this one reminds us of our past and current oppression.

        I trust many find comfort in these memes but all I see is reminders of a world I don’t like.

        • Cowbee [he/him]
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          36 months ago

          Hey, if you read theory, it becomes obvious that Capitalism is unsustainable! Either we all die, or the future will move beyond it!

    • @[email protected]
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      86 months ago

      Remember, it took the black death and like 1/2 the population dying to bring about this change

  • @[email protected]
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    326 months ago

    Divine right of kings simply morphed into capitalism. We didn’t get rid of jack shit, and we never will.

    • Cowbee [he/him]
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      326 months ago

      Feudalism is entirely different from Capitalism, which is entirely different from Socialism. Class dynamics have changed, and will change.

      • @[email protected]
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        76 months ago

        Feudalism is entirely different from Capitalism

        Not really, no. Even though feudalism doesn’t consider greed and resource hoarding inherently virtuous like capitalism does, both are at their core about the few rich and powerful exploiting and abusing the many poor and powerless through ownership of the necessities for life and a greater capacity for violence.

        • Cowbee [he/him]
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          106 months ago

          Both are class societies, yes. Both are fundamentally different relations of classes.

          • @[email protected]
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            46 months ago

            There are differences, yes, but they’re built on the same foundation and as such by definition NOT fundamentally different.

            • Cowbee [he/him]
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              66 months ago

              They don’t have the same foundation. Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations.

              Reading Marx would help you.

              • @[email protected]
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                36 months ago

                Aristocrat/serf dynamics are entirely different from Bourgeois/Proletarian relations.

                They most certainly aren’t.

                Reading Marx would help you.

                I have. Guess what: he wasn’t right about everything.

                • Cowbee [he/him]
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                  46 months ago

                  Serfs have a certified existence, they do not sell their labor in a market. They work their land, without participating in Capitalism.

                  Proletarians do not have a certified existence. They compete against each other in a labor market.

                  The difference is stark despite both being working classes.

        • Cowbee [he/him]
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          46 months ago

          It’s a fundamentally different stage of class society with fundamentally different mechanics.

          • @[email protected]
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            46 months ago

            Fundamentally different? Lords are still in control, just now we call them “Billionaires” and act like the “Market” protects us.

            • Cowbee [he/him]
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              46 months ago

              Unlike serfs, workers must compete with each other as well as Capitalists. The Market protects nobody but the interests of Capital.

      • @[email protected]
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        156 months ago

        That would make sense for capitalism, if humanity didn’t have to have its permanent, essential characteristics beaten, traumatised and groomed out of them with land seizures, branding, whipping, workhouses, schools, prisons, debtors prisons, being forced to sell their children, slavery and the threat of homelessness and starvation for hundreds of years.

        People didn’t just accept either of those two systems and there’s nothing remotely inherent about them. They were both forced on people through violence or the threat of it.

        • @[email protected]
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          66 months ago

          .They were both forced on people through violence or the threat of it.

          And so is revealed the violence inherent to the system.

      • @[email protected]
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        76 months ago

        “inherent humanity” - what a magical term. you might have a magical worldview! which means you won’t even recognize this as an insult, which is sad, but a little funny.

        • @[email protected]
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          16 months ago

          I can recognise nonsense when I see it, and viewpoints based on assumptions rather than evidence.

    • @[email protected]
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      116 months ago

      The point is that societies could progress past it, that it’s not inescapable.

      So the fact that there are still absolute monarchies does not invalidate that societies that are better are possible, like most of our societies today.

      Every empire seems unassailable and eternal, until it doesn’t. The USSR seemed like it will last beyond our lifetimes, until it didn’t.

    • stephan
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      116 months ago

      If Charles is the divine choice, why did he get cancer?

  • Constant Pain
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    I met a traveller from an antique land,

    Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

    Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,

    Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,

    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,

    The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;

    And on the pedestal, these words appear:

    My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;

    Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay

    Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare

    The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

    Shelley’s Poetry and Prose (1977)

    • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)
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      56 months ago

      Absolutely 100% run (don’t walk!) and get The Left Hand of Darkness. It is easily one of the best sci-fi/fantasy books I have ever read.

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        I just finished it two days ago. I agree completely.

        I will caution people that because of the writing style the beginning of the book (at least to me) is a bit disorienting. It takes a minute to find her rhythm.

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      I just finished the dispossessed. Didn’t find it as compelling as reviews had me hoping. The sci-fi depiction of anarchism wasn’t flattering and the main character wasn’t easy to like either.

      Spoiler and trigger alert: I put the book down for a while after he sexually assaulted a woman, but eventually finished it and wasn’t impressed by the ending or by the fact that his assault was glossed over and not mentioned again.

      • @[email protected]
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        36 months ago

        Yes, that’s a fair assessment. It’s not an enjoyable book and to some extent isn’t meant to be – the cover of the version I read said something about an “ambiguous utopia,” the story structure is pretty far from a Campbellian Hero’s Journey, and the main character is not relatable. The book is more memorable than enjoyable.

    • Dr. Jenkem
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      36 months ago

      The Dispossessed had been in my backlog for a while now. I really need to get to it.

    • Subverb
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      Funny this cropped up, I just finished The Left Hand of Darkness two days ago. Very good book with some beautiful prose.

      It was the first Le Guin book I’ve read. I’ll be reading more.

  • @[email protected]
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    The problem is that this time we’ve likely got a few decades at the most to form a movement before a huge chunk of the world becomes uninhabitable and society crumbles under the weight of war and famine.

    Looking at how things are going, I have little hope that the majority of people are willing to let go of the status quo.

  • Maeve
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    66 months ago

    I agree with the sentiment and also wonder if she’s still ferociously pro-copyright?

  • @[email protected]
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    26 months ago

    the thought process has just been replaced with nepo baby billionaires who think they are special because they were shit out of the right vagina.

  • ditty
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    26 months ago

    Is this quote from The Dispossessed? Or another of her many works?