• RedEye FlightControl@lemmy.world
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    This brings them to about mid 90’s tech… They’ll be able to make microwave ovens, tamagotchis, and a counterfeit N64 that runs a game called “Mushroom Plumber 3D”

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      … And they’re able to make chips good enough for their military.

      Russia’s military is in large parts only slightly refurbished soviet gear. For a T72 or even T90, a 90s era chip is still good enough.

      Why do you think they dismantled all those washing machines? The microcontrollers in there aren’t high tech at all.

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        Why do you think they dismantled all those washing machines?

        This is a bit further than sane. I think you’ve got the idea from Russian marauders stealing washing machines. They were just marauders.

        But yes, and not even Soviet, but relatively new things may not require too advanced chips.

        I think a lot of that works on TTL logic and relays frankly. And not even only in Russia. While NATO countries had access to a much easier supply of chips, reliability is a factor too in military tech. Keep it simple, stupid, and all that.

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      Fun fact about tamigotchis, a couple years ago I was looking up if they still made them and I ran across something talking about the tech in modern versions and apparently the newest version of them at the time was running a variant of the MOS6502 microprocessor. This is the same microprocessor that Commodore used a variant of in the Commodore 64.

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          Not literally a tamagachi, but if you want to go down the super niche rabbit hole that’ll include interfacing a TV and keyboard to a 6502 processor, there’s a guy named Ben Eater who does a great job covering that stuff. eater.net or search his name on YouTube.

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          No. The 6502 itself is probably the simplest CPU to be used at scale in home computers: it has only 3 registers, a handful of instructions (you don’t even get multiplication) and is made of around 3,500 transistors (less than half the number in the Z80). All the things that gave the C64, Apple II, BBC Micro, NES and such their recognisable qualities were provided by support chips used alongside the 6502.

          6502s were used in a lot of simple electronics after general-purpose computing moved on. They used them in battery-powered pocket chess computers in the late 80s, for example, and I wouldn’t be surprised if cycle computers or microwave ovens contained them as well.

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          Like is it capable of that sure, could you actually do that with a modern tamagotchi, probably not.

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            I mean you could technically do it with any microprocessor if you’ve got enough time and patience, though in a lot of cases you’d need to essentially build a whole computer around it.

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          you’d have to graft on a lot of IO that doesn’t exist but probably. good project to show off on hackaday.

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      My Pentium II back in the day ran Diablo, StarCraft and AoE. So way more than a Tamagotchi. Glorious Mother Russia bringing back the good old days…

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      In fairness, that was a pretty solid era. It wasn’t peak tech but I’d be ok going back.

      It was probably a mistake for society to advance beyond the era when computers weren’t super portable and phones were just “smartish.” Like that BlackBerry era where you could communicate and get news if you needed it but it was enough of a hassle that you usually just waited until you were at home or the office to get caught up.

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      Sure but weren’t they raiding washing machines to get chips for their tanks? This is a pretty big step to avoid embargos and pretty significant that they need to do it.

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      … And combat jet MC’s or brains for missiles\simple suicide drones.

      N64 is sufficiently good for a lot of things.

      If this is real. Living in Russia I doubt that.

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      Love that the article header is a picture of a Pentium II. That’s cold as ice 💀

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    I think that behind those “oh, it’s 30 years old” people miss one thing:

    350nm chips are perfectly alright for many things. Simple controllers, chips inside various appliances, even some of the simpler military tech can absolutely rely on those chips.

    It is way more than nothing.

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      Yeah. Foundries/manufacturing processes last decades. I feel like Reddit/Lemmy is very consumer electronics focused, so they think anything worse than TSMC’s N3 process is literally unusable garbage (slight exaggeration but I’m sure you get my point)

      Plus this isn’t the most advanced process they can make. We know for a fact they at least have 90nm lithography machines, they just weren’t made in-house like this one. And it’s undeniable they’re smuggling stuff in from other countries. Like do people really think Russia has no modern GPUs for things like simulations, crunching satellite images, etc? Pull the other one.

      This, unfortunately, is certainly a big deal and will be very important to Russia. Hence why they sought to do it in the first place.

      Are they a threat to countries like the US, UK, France, etc? Of course not. But Russia seemingly transitioning themselves to a war-based economy should be concerning for people regardless.

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        Russia has a market full of consumer and professional-grade GPUs from Nvidia and AMD, as well as all other components, available at regular computer stores that never went anywhere. It’s not cut out from technology for sure, not even close. On that front, it’s literally less affected than even China.

        But it now has more power to grow independent manufacturing of chips useful for many industries, that now have lower risks of supply chain interruption.

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      Yeah, those old fabs are still useful. Here’s what Microchip Technology Inc runs:

      https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/00004075.pdf

      See page 6.Their fab in Lawrence, MA only goes down to 1000nm. Their other locations go down to 250 or 110nm. IIRC, some of that is the auto industry refusing to port things off of old chips, but the point is that you can do a lot of useful stuff with horribly outdated fabs.

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      Yep. Look at it this way, those $100,000+ machining centers that make nearly everything you use and own, are running on basically 486 chips. And they only transitioned from the 386’s because the dies wore out and the chip manufacturers said they weren’t going to remake them. It caused a noticeable amount of angst in manufacturing when the news got out.

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      Yeah, not to mention some low level engineers that built it only using a hairpin, a hammer, and a lithography machine … (ofc joking, but I bet there are like five nerds that basically made it all happen).

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        Hairpin and a hammer? HA! THEY were lucky! We had to do lithography with nothing but a water droplet and sunlight! And firmware was burned in as well.

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      That’s like late 486 early pentium 1 era. You don’t need a supercomputer for everything. The chip situation could be much shittier.

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      Plus I would guess that few country could also rebuild the whole manufacturing process in a few years?

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      Ya but would you like a yield of 100 cpus per slab, or 5.000 ?

      So it’s a question of cost too I think, not an expert OFC.

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        Probably 20 per slab, and an annual yield of about two slabs combined. Of course it will only run for a month before breaking down, due to some vital part going missing.

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    Uh… They’ve definitely assembled more than just one lithography machine. Probably over 80 years ago. Is it just me or is that a weird headline?

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    I like how the article shits on Russia like

    In every civilized nation of the world, 14 years olds make these in their bedrooms, but since a bunch of Ivans can’t stop drinking spoiled potato juice, it took Russia 35 years, haha!

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    Did they say where this machine is at? It would be cool to see if Ukraine’s recently unleashed US weapons can reach that far.