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An officer in upstate New York shot and killed a teen fleeing while pointing a replica gun, police said Saturday.
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Shit, Americans are fucking wild…
Yeah… Username checks out?
Ehhh, you’re dealing with an idiot kid (and all kids are idiots to some degree) and a supposedly trained professional.
I would place the weight of fault on the officer and/or whoever trained them.
Yeah, you should always teach your kids about firearm safety and drill into them to never, ever carry one at all until they’re adults. And that includes anything that can propel a projectile that isn’t obviously and visibly a toy.
But the truth is that a 13 year old was target that got shot. By an adult in body armor, with training. No shot had been fired because you can’t mistake a bb gun sound for even a 22 going off. So there was no active shooter here.
It’s another bad shooting that’s going to get swept under the rug.
On that note, 13 is more than enough to understand these things. I had bb guns when I was around 13 and always knew never to take take the orange tip off, bring it around in public, and never show it to people that didn’t understand. At the end of the day, the cop and the parents are at fault.
Because if cops wait around, and figure things out first, you have Uvalde all over again. People were pissed, as they should be, that police showed up, and DIDN’T shoot a kid.
I don’t claim this is intentional on your part, but I believe you’ve created a false dichotomy. There is a spectrum of outcomes between what happened here and what happened in Uvalde.
(and again, I’ll believe he was pointing it at them when I can see a video proving he did so)
Yep, no way you can believe the police report at face value.
Body cam footage or the exact opposite happened.
It’s like accepting of the fact that your police is incompetent. They either shoot everyone or let someone else shoot everyone. That’s not doing their job as police.
It’s a common way people try to justify their actions. As if police are a force of nature. You wouldn’t stand in the path of a tornado, why would you expect police to act on more than the most superficial analysis of the situation and with less than the most violence they can justify.
someone having a gun is no reason to shoot them btw… especially not if it’s a kid. that the gun wasn’t real isn’t even relevant.
if you can’t carry a gun in public, you effectively don’t have the right to bear arms, but AFAIK NY law grants citizens that right.
however, even if guns were illegal in NY, police should still not shoot people just for having one or waving it around. they should carefully capture the person. if police isn’t brave enough to do that, maybe you have the wrong persons for the job.
if you can’t carry a gun in public, you effectively don’t have the right to bear arms, but AFAIK NY law grants citizens that right.
Nope. NY’s laws prohibit having a gun anywhere outside of your home.
To make it even more ridiculous… this includes the pellet gun this kid had. In NY having a air gun is a felony weapons charge. (sections 265.01, 265.20, 265.01-a)
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because they’re pussies? are the most notorious killers of america afraid of a little kid with a gun? Shouldn’t have they received training about such a situation and if they did why are their first instict is to kill?
i don’t because they signed up to put their life on the line and pointing guns is legal
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No, it absolutely isn’t.
You don’t question whether the kid actually pointed the gun at them, cop says he did so he must have. Not like a cop would lie to cover his ass, right?
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Victim blaming. Classy.
Wow, Americans are truly crazy
representing the “what was she wearing?” gang
so is it okay to have people run around and have the authırity to kill you if they see you with a weapon? (or if they lie about it)
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Strange. Doesn’t the second amendment guarantee our right to keep and bear arms? But apparently the cops are allowed to murder us for it.
I wonder when it will be okay for them to kill us for exercising free speech.
🤔🤔
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How can you mention Uvalde and say that the ONE thing cops are good for is stopping active shooters?
Y’know tasers exist right
And tasers have an alarming failure rate. If someone was pointing a gun at you what would you do?
If a 13 year old was pointing what I thought was a gun at me? I would use the taser and try to get out of the way of where they were pointing.
I will say, I read the article and if what the cops say is true, there were a number of compounding unfortunate circumstances. It was late at night, the kids ran when they were approached, and the kid died from a single shot. The cops didn’t pull up and unload their guns on the two kids.
ACAB, but I’m not saying they were malicious or grossly incompetent in this case. But I still think they’re too quick to shoot first and ask questions later. I personally think they shouldn’t shoot unless shot at, that would eliminate these cases that keep happening. Teaching kids to not play with toy guns would be great too, unfortunately guns are just so deeply engrained in every aspect of American culture
It is harder to hit a moving target…
While you might be right, I am angry that you are right.
If this gets mistaken for a real gun, somebody will call the cops on you, and they’ll KILL you for real!
That’s absolutely insane, that us Americans have to think this way. Getting murdered by law enforcement shouldn’t ever be a near-certainty.
Active shooter
You keep using that term, but I don’t think you understand it. Unless someone has started shooting people, there’s literally no active shooter. No one would call that in, and police officers arriving on scene would also determine there’s no active shooter, if they’re actually doing their job. People might call the cops on a child with a toy gun (don’t do that), but the police officer is responsible for discerning the true situation before using lethal force.
And a kid with a gun is just as deadly as an adult with a gun.
I’m no gun nut, but just having a gun doesn’t make someone a threat any more than having a knife, a vehicle, a frying pan, etc. It certainly doesn’t make them an imminent threat that has to be killed immediately. The US has way too many guns, but still: just the existence of a gun doesn’t make someone a danger worthy of killing.
#But.
With all that said, in this actual interaction, the police stopped the boys and one of them pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers. I’ve long since stopped giving cops the benefit of the doubt, but if it happened exactly like they said, legal force was absolutely justified in this case. It was later discovered that it was a replica GLOCK 17 Gen 5 handgun with a detachable magazine.
Lulz only on lemmy can the most rational and sane take be downvoted and most negatively commented on. To me you make absolute sense!
Everything looks like a weapon to a dipshit cop.
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Like I said everything looks like a weapon to a cop, a cellphone, a walking stick of a blind man. Etc. even the sound of an acorn hitting the roof of a car sounds like a weapon.
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And that’s what you get when the police have only six months training.
Shoot first, investigate themselves later.
And he was pointing it at cops.
Citation needed, and I won’t accept the cop saying “trust me”
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And he was pointing it at cops.
Allegedly.
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It did, and he didn’t
My very first statement - I’ll believe it when I see a video. Police don’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore.
Ok. Let the body cam sort that out then.
https://apnews.com/article/utica-police-shooting-nyah-mway-myanmar-835e5c29eed93dc109108f668323d9f4
Neither suggests anyuthing in the footage showing he pointed a gun at officers.
But second link does say this:
Patterson and Husnay ran after Nyah, with Patterson taking the teen down after a short chase as officers can be heard screaming “He’s got a gun.”
Husnay had his gun drawn and appeared to shoot Nyah when he was down on the ground, according to his released bodycam footage.
Please find me where either of these articles corroborates that the bodycam shows he pointed a gun at police.
Here’s key bits of the video:
Looks to me like he was trying to drop the gun, it’s pointed at himself if anything. Still is as provided by the newsteam in the youtube link, and if you listen to the audio, they are clearly accepting the police story and not disagreeing - so this is the best they could do to make it look good for them.
This isn’t even when they shot him!! They shot him ON THE GROUND.
edited - looks even worse for them here https://www.facebook.com/CBSEveningNews/videos/1188314849017274/
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Officers later recovered a replica GLOCK 17 Gen 5 handgun with a detachable magazine from the scene, the statement said.
Just so everyone is clear this is what they’re talking about. Without the orange tip–which is easily cut off–this is going to be indistinguishable from a gen 5 Glock 17 to an observer. Things like this are used in Airsoft games, are used for training indoors when you don’t want to use a real gun (they operate on blowback like a real pistol, so you get simulated recoil)), and they’re also modified and used by people that are committing armed robbery when they can’t get a real firearm.
I’m quite familiar with firearms–I have a bunch, I compete–and I couldn’t tell the difference between a replica like that that had had the orange tip removed and a real Glock without holding the item.
If all of the information that’s currently being reported is accurate–and that is a very, very big “if”–then I don’t know what people expect.
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