Whenever you see anyone urging a certain course of action online, ask yourself who stands to benefit the most. Trans people not voting = transphobes. Climate change denial = fossil fuel companies. It’s always the same playbook.
What the hell? I’ve not heard that yet. What asinine reason are they peddling?
Everyone should vote, all the time. It’s your right and duty. Everyone deserves a say.
You havent heard it for a reason, this guy is completely lying because a trans person told them theyre voting for someone else.
Lol this is a follow-up to another meme in this community. You’ve invented a narrative about something you don’t understand.
Touch grass.
This is straight up lies following an argument you had with a trans person ive quoted for you as stating they will vote, that you cited as an example of telling you to abstain.
So sorry for your inability to discern context.
I hope that gets better for you.
I gave you the context, now challenge it with evidence
Literally look at the verbatim of the post you found your “context” on, you dunce.
Yes, I was incorrect about Objection being one of the many advocating not to vote in the general.
Instead, they’re one of the other dangerous group advocating to “vote” but allow Biden to lose to Trump.
Which is more or less the same, but they get to virtue signal.
If that’s your “gotcha” here, then congrats, I guess.
…this post??? https://lemmy.ml/post/17434215
Bidens losing to Trump all on his own. You can rally behind a better, younger candidate already available, or replace Biden with a better, younger candidate.
If it’s happening, I imagine it’s something along the lines of "Biden did bad things to trans people. If you vote for him, you don’t support trans rights. And Trump is even worse! Don’t vote/vote third party. " There are other issues where I’ve seen this argument, not specifically for trans folks, though.
How many people are actually advocating for non voting?
All I see on Lemmy is people begging for a candidate with a better shot at beating trump, and then they get screeched at that only Biden can stop trump because…
Well, they never give a reason why it has to be Biden.
How many people are actually advocating for non voting?
Uh, lots. There’s been a tireless effort here in leftist spaces discouraging voting for “genocide Joe” without actually providing alternatives.
Well, they never give a reason why it has to be Biden.
It’s because politics moves slowly and it’s way too late for someone else to start campaigning, plus he’s the incumbent. If you had someone in mind a year ago, it would be worth discussing. It’ll never happen in the next 4 months.
If Biden stepped down and Joe Schmoe from Fucking, Indiana was elevated to presidential candidate for the Democratic party, they’d be known by 80% of the country in 24 hours. The “too late” narrative continued to be pushed multiple times until it was actually too late. I think this the 4th “too late” segment in his campaign.
They could easily switch to the current vice president and get some new relatively known person on board as her running mate.
This is exactly what would happen if Biden suddenly had a major health issue.
There’s been a tireless effort here in leftist spaces discouraging voting for “genocide Joe” without actually providing alternatives.
I see you arguing against the alternatives that have bern provided to you. Bold face lies like this are just the name of the game for Biden supporters.
This is shamelessly false though? What are you smoking?
me, a disenfranchised Independent former Democrat who plans on voting for Jill Stein unless the DNC can produce a viable candidate
Heres someone offering two different alternatives to you. Tired of the disrespect, people are allowed to support better candidates, you can vote for better candidates, we decide who becomes president and youre so convinced that we dont that Trumps gonna take the spot
An alternative that relies on a majority of voters completely changing their voting strategies is not a workable alternative. Third party is a spoiler, always. A bit for Jill Stein only makes Trump more probable.
No see this is moved goalposts, you said people werent providing you any alternatives, now youre complaining about the alternatives they provided you. Both different party to vote for, and democrats offering a better candidate.
That’s on me for assuming I didn’t have to specify an alternative which isn’t entirely counterproductive. Just like you generally don’t hear people talking about coal-burning steam engines as an alternate energy source for cars. If your alternative causes more problems than it solves, it’s not an alternative worth mentioning.
Uh, lots.
Are they in the room with us now?
and it’s way too late for someone else to start campaigning
What’s weird, is the same people have been saying “it’s too late” have been saying that since 2021 now…
Like, the DNC essentially cancelled our primary this election, and are now saying we have to go with Biden because it’s too late…
When it’s still not too late, because the convention hasn’t happened…
And the DNC has spent the last decade saying they can do what they want because it’s a private party.
Like, it’s literally not too late…
There’s only so many ways to say this mate, the DNC hasn’t named the nominee for the general election yet
And even after they do, the DNC is a private party and they can just ignore primary results. They’ve literally paid lawyers to argue that to a judge very recently.
It’s never to late to do all we can to stop trump.
Its not too late technically, you’ve listed all sorts of technical and logistical reasons, but it’s far too late to a get a fresh face in front of people and expect them to vote for them.
That’s the too late part, it’s possible, but it would be a massive risk and very expensive as they’d need to be running ADs non stop everywhere to go from a “fresh face” to “votable face” with the general public in 4 months
Not to mention, you think the red states wouldn’t do everything they can to stop having to change their ballots? I can see it now: “We’re 4 months from the election, can’t change it now ohhh welll!” ~Shithole Red states
but it’s far too late to a get a fresh face in front of people and expect them to vote for them
What?!
The most common reason for voting Biden back to the last election was/is “he’s not trump”…
Literally anyone that’s the Dem nominee will be a legit household name in 72 hours max. And they will get 100% of the votes Biden would get for not being trump.
In addition to some people who couldn’t hold their nose past a genocide, but because it really is D or trump, would begrudgeingly vote for Boe Jiden knowing it’s gonna be functionally the same as voting Joe Biden.
Like, that’s the hard part to swallow.
People are just voting Biden to prevent trump.
And Biden is bad enough on his own, that Dem voters will take practically anyone else and throw equal support behind them.
There is zero benefit to Joe Biden himself being president, what is important is it’s not trump.
So why not run the candidate with the best shot at beating trump?
Like, it’s fucking 2024 man. And you’re honestly trying to say 4 months isn’t enough time for a presidential candidate to get their name out?
It’s trump’s fucking 3rd election…
We know what’s at stake. People are fucking paying attention.
Which is why it doesn’t make sense to waste that energy.
Not to mention, you think the red states wouldn’t do everything they can to stop having to change their ballots? I can see it now: “We’re 4 months from the election, can’t change it now ohhh welll!” ~Shithole Red states
The convention is over a month away…
Like, you’re ahead of schedule for what excuses you can pull out. But when the DNC hasn’t even named their candidate yet. It’s hard to argue it’s too late to change
There’s just no logical way to defend your position.
I’m sure it sucks bro
Are they in the room with us now?
Sure starting to seem like it…
How many people are actually advocating for non voting?
So, so many. PugJesus’ and my history can attest to that.
I looked at your history since you recommended it.
I don’t know why you wanted me to because it’s not relevant to what we’re talking about, but I did look at your post history like you asked.
I didn’t ask you to look at it – I’m saying I’ve had countless arguments with people saying exactly that.
Keep your eyes closed, if you like.
Edit: You also can’t have looked far. I’ve been interacting with one for the last few hours – https://lemmy.ml/u/objection
I intend to vote for a third party.
Took a while to find the relevant info, but youre bold faced lying. No ones telling you not to vote, theyre just not voting for your genocide candidate
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If you’re planning on voting for a rapist, someone with 34 felonies that paid a pornstar hush money from campaign funds for sex while his wife was at home pregnant, you should probably stay home clutching your pearls instead of voting.
Trans people should definitely vote in the election.
Those who want for the government to take freedoms from people would be doing the country a great service by staying home.
It isn’t enough for these people to cast the underprivileged into the fires, they won’t be satisfied until they’ve convinced the underprivileged to throw themselves in as an act of holier than thou defiance
This guy is completely lying, no one told him to abstain from the general election, he was arguing with someone because they are voting third party.
There are people saying this? Ugh. What’s the logic even? No need to take any mask off.
Some hexbear user according to another post. But those guys are just far right trolls so nothing to take seriously
Lmao and you accused me of throwing a tantrum 😂😂😂
Getting so butthurt you make a whole other thread, drama queen much?
Thanks for not joking about suicide this time tho!
Look who couldn’t resist showing up! Experiment complete.
I did it for for you, sweetie. For your sensitive little eyes 👶
Wow, do I have a fan?
Let’s see, you replied to my parent comment, unsolicited.
Then to my post. Again, unsolicited.
I wonder who’s the fan of who…
So bratty~
You literally referenced me multiple times in this thread before I showed up. I know you were thinking of me the whole time you were making this 😘
Thanks for confirming that the pearl-clutching was just that.
I told you from the start that was what it was about. Or at least, I tried to. You seem to have this tendency to assume you know where people are coming from and condescending to them rather than explaining, before you even hear what they’re saying. You even did it again in this very thread!
So much of that drama could’ve been avoided if you’d shown basic decency and respect and talked to me like an actual human being. Then you would’ve seen what I was arguing ages ago. It’s really a very poor style of communication.
Lol, so proud of offering nothing of substance.
You act like a complete prick around here. Don’t expect people to treat you with respect.
Experiment? Jeebus, you need to take your own advice from another thread and go massage some greenery my friend.
This is going off the rails, with all sides telling each other not to vote. Locking as there’s too much to mod here.
