I reported them for harassment with the following statement:
The purpose of this group is to review bomb any game that has gay representation. Their discussion threads talk about using other platforms to discriminate against LGBTQ+ communities and individuals to circumvent Steam’s TOS policies. This type of behavior promotes discrimination, review brigading, and toxicity. It is surprising Steam is tolerating such open homophobia on this platform.
With that absolutely pathetic follower count I’m not too surprised it’s still going under the radar.
Compared to curators that people actually care about, that’s a fraction of a fraction.
And yet, none of that makes it any less disgusting or any more acceptable.
Their point is Steam likely doesn’t condone this behavior; they just weren’t aware of it. Reporting it to bring it to their attention will likely get it removed.
No part of my comment suggests otherwise.
It is invisible under recommended, for me. I had to switch to “most popular” to even display it after an explicit search.
I mean… as much as it’s dumb, everyone has a right to make a list and review games how they wish, right? Some gamers don’t like loot boxes, others don’t like [checks notes] DEI or PoC in games. Better those people don’t buy a game and end up toxic elements in the gamespace, right?
I mean… as much as it’s dumb, everyone has a right to make a list and review games how they wish, right? Some gamers don’t like loot boxes, others don’t like [checks notes] DEI or PoC in games. Better those people don’t buy a game and end up toxic elements in the gamespace, right?
Making crystal clear to people like this like they are not even remotely welcome in your community after they let it slide that they have hateful vile opinions is the only solution. Everything else offloads the pain and suffering onto the victims in favor of not doing shit to actually kick those toxic people out of any respectable place that they can make their tiny pathetic voices of anti-trans, racist and sexist tirades of insecurity rise above a cacophony of shame and insults thrown back at them.
Throw eggs, shame these people, and though we can’t make them go away, after all we define ourselves on our desire not to wish harm or erase groups of people, there is no conflict here, these people have always been here and will always be here, the question is how afraid they are to let their disgusting hate hang out in daylight at any particular time. Bigots are cowards and they will fall in line as they always do when they realize the crosshairs are beginning to turn back around onto them, our job is clear.
Basically the correct play here is to force bigots to be closeted bigots, make them deal with what LGBTQ+ people have endured, see how their fragile snowflake personalities shatter on the tiniest bit of friction and pushback from someone who isn’t afraid of them.
Aka, let’s just have a nice time without them ok :)
Basically the correct play here is to force bigots to be closeted bigots, make them deal with what LGBTQ+ people have endured
I agree with the sentiment but I don’t think you are being completely honest with yourself. Churches are the worst offenders in this whole deal, yet for some reason pastors, priests and their congregations go about merrily with their lives. Going for some idiots while these engines of hate keep working is wasting your efforts. Churches should be permanently vandalized and people should be protesting outside, shaming anyone who goes in there. Why are they getting away with it?
Why are they getting away with it?
Established culture, critical mass, and platform ownership.
Steam is an online platform owned by Valve. They have ToS and a Code of Conduct. Those are published, announced baselines you can compare and report against.
Churches are not all the same, and are generally not on a platform with authority you report them to.
You’re asking for public shaming. Which can and does [sometimes] happen as bad press, protests, and prosecutions. But generally, it’s more difficult and higher risk in the real-life public, and less likely to succeed given their established nature.
Lootboxes influence how the game plays. Inclusive characters is [an issue of] perception, not gameplay.
Opposing inclusion [of other kinds of people] is different from opposing mechanics.
It’s funny how they can never define “woke” when asked but have no problem labeling any sort of inclusion as woke when they make a list of woke things. To them, woke is just the safe word to say instead of the slurs they want to say.
Anything that isn’t a straight white male = woke.
Even that’s woke, according to their definition.
“Straight”—sexuality = woke “White”—race = woke “Male”—gender = woke
I guess games just can’t have any characters in them at all anymore, in case one of them has a race or a gender that gets referenced.
Here’s the groups definition - it’s linked in one of the forums. Your instance might filter some words:
Wow. I thought to myself surely they would be using some blatant dog whistle for the removed, but nope, steam is fully letting them rate games negatively by using every slur in the book.
This definitely looks much worse for steam than any of these sad, lifeless homunculi. I reported them and made note about how letting this group continue looks awful for steam and not taking action reads as endorsement.
If I didn’t know I wouldn’t get a rational response, I’d love to ask them where it makes sense for those “removeds” to be. Especially in fantasy games.
Are the 'removed’s n-bombs?
Yes.
Christ almighty. I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt (and struggling tbh), but this is just inexcusably bad
This looks like it’s for a different steam curator than the one in op’s screenshot. Still probably a tos violation ofc
“Immigration is woke but also native people are woke,” and the rest of the list is similarly frothing and delusional. They struggle to finish a sentence without adding a hard R.
Looks like it’s time to report bomb.
Its even funnier that they coopted “woke” as a negative term in the first place. Just blatantly telling on themselves.
Yeah it is. I was around when woke first started making its rounds and it was used to describe people who were aware of social injustice against them, mostly black people at the time. I’m not surprised that the word made it into common use, just surprised at the audacity of people using it as a strong negative against equality and inclusion.
About 100 years ago the word was intellectuals.
Don’t worry guys, I’ll sift through all this gay hentai so you guys don’t have to I’m a hero!
Thanks lad, can’t wait for you to find all the airport toilets that should be avoided so I don’t accidentally wander my way into a BJ.
I keep telling all these gay men to stop sucking my cock but they just won’t! I’m really annoyed about it!
It just makes you wonder - where did he get those amazing boots?
NOT RECOMMENDED
[…] Non-binary character option.
HoW dArE tHeY GiVe Me OpTiOnS?!
P R O N O U N S ? ! ? !
My brain is barely able to handle amateur nouns!
Some of their reviews are so petty that I want to believe it’s satire (though I know it’s not). Game has a girl that wants to be an astrophysicist? Woke. PCs fighting equally well regardless of gender? Woke. Literally any POC in the game at all? Woke.
These people are so fucking pathetic and hateful, it’s mind boggling. I struggle to imagine how they get through a single day without passing out from the shock of seeing all the “woke” things around them.
“Portrays an ‘alternate history’ version of the internet in 1999 which is more ‘inclusive’ than it actually was.”
LMAO!
Conservatives didn’t even know how to use a computer in the 90’s. Stormfront was created in 95, but it’s userbase was tiny compared to those private facebook groups today.
You have been permanently banned from c/Conservative.
Can you imagine getting naked and doing the thing with one of these people!!
It would be like having a conversation with a cardboard box.
You and I converse very differently XD
I don’t see this as an issue, I see it as a recommendation list.
These are literally reviews pulling down the review ratings of the games
Maybe they’re shit games.
Nah, just shit people promoting their typical conservative bigotry.
If they were, they wouldn’t need a group to influence the outcome.
I never played Hypnospace Outlaws, but Slayers X by the same dev is awesome. Also devoid of any politics. I have a hard time believing Hypnospace Outlaws has any strong politics other then characters having none-cis identities.
old timey news flash with a spinning newspaper headline flashing into view
SCIENTISTS DISCOVER ALL ART IS POLITICAL, IMPLICATIONS STILL UNCERTAIN, AUTHORITIES ADVISE CAUTION WHEN UNDER INFLUENCE OF ART
Tetris has entered the chat.
waves to tetris
Tetris is in good company here!
https://www.wired.com/story/tetris-movie-history-political-thriller/
Yeah, the story behind the game is political, but the game itself isn’t. Not to say those early, arcade games couldn’t be political. The Death Race game, was based on Death Race 2000, a satire on violence in media.
I’m not afraid of politics in media. I just don’t agree with the statement that “All media has politics”. The anti-woke crowd would have you believe that all new media has politics in it, which is an absolutely ridiculous claim.
They are legitimate reviews.
Have you actually read the post?
Sure. For me the score is one of the last things I consider, so review bombing and what ever the opposite is called aren’t all that important.
Anyone else using this to find new “”“woke”“” games to play? (After reporting for bigotry, of course)
Sadly I expect this kinda shit to be normal
- I used to get various death threats because of a trans flag in my profile, it’s been replaced by spam scammers
- When they didn’t take down the Rittenhouse game that stung a bit…
what, you think a company that makes more than ten billion dollars a year should be able to afford basic moderation?
548 followers, they’re insignificant. Yeah, they suck, but there’s literally a button to make them go away and you never see them again.
Throwing a blanket over bigots doesn’t solve the problem because they can still recruit other dumbasses to their cause.
Their cause being… recommending against buying some games?
And what are those recommendations exclusively based on? Just because two thoughts in a row give you a nosebleed doesn’t mean everyone falls for such lazy apologism.
the cause is to harass lgbt people until they stop existing. This tiny group is doing so by attacking game developers in possibly the most ineffective way possible. If the group follower count was a couple orders of magnitude larger, then I’d be concerned.
If you have a real solution, I’m open to suggestions.
Organize and make a social media disaster for Valve. That usually gets companies like this off their asses.
if/when it happens, I’ll be there for it (I’ll bring friends too). Between now and then, I’m not holding my breath.
“Hm, there’s a couple guys spray painting slurs on my neighbor’s house … better close the blinds so I don’t have to look at it.”
Fallacy of false equivalence. Your example is of actual criminal activity (vandalism) resulting in tangible damages (the vandalized home now needs to be repaired, also surrounding properties lose value due to criminal activity).
Please feel free to try to make your point again, this time without using a logical fallacy or bad faith argument.
Both are about hateful idiots causing harm to someone else and choosing to ignore it.
Fallacy of …
It’s a simile, you dork.
These weirdos even think there’s an LGBTQ character and boom, instantly triggered. Bonus points for a minority existing as anything else but a target.
Lol wonder how they feel if main character is tentacles.
LGBT is a tag on steam so it’s really redundant, bigots can just filter the tag on their account page.
They don’t want to filter it for themselves, they want to filter it for everybody or better yet, stop it being produced in the first place. They make their tantrums as public as they can for a reason.
I don’t understand the thought process of following something like this. You’re just going to be seeing content that annoys you and getting mad…
Curators you follow have their reviews pop up in the store page when you’re looking to buy/download something, so if you want to avoid something, like easy anti-cheat, you follow https://store.steampowered.com/curator/32754914-No-To-Easy-Anti-Cheat/ and you’ll get this notice whenever you click on a game that uses it: https://imgur.com/Fvugcm1
That is the point, yeah. It’s just ragebait, but for the chronically online chuds who fill their days with 2016 era youtube videos that have red arrows on the thumbnail, yellow circles, black outlined white impact font, and then they also have the one picture of that chick yelling when trump got inaugurated.
People get addicted to this kind of stuff because it specifically triggers negative emotions, which they associate to certain phrases, concepts, things, and people, and then they get pushed further and further inward to rationalize it more and more.
You start from a false premise. The reason for curators on Steam is that recommendations pro/against a game appear on the game’s store page.
It allows you to avoid stuff that someone already played and knows you won’t like.
Steam curators are such a stupid feature, why would I care about reviews from some specific person instead of just general users? Also clearly a lot of the curators haven’t played the game because lots of them already have reviews on unreleased games
Curators are just the steam equivalent of movie reviewers.
If you get familiar with a reviewer’s take on things it can help to know if something will be enjoyable based on their preferences to yours. For me, I loved Ebert’s reviews because it wasn’t the score he gave, but how he worded the review. Some reviews were listing the things he disliked, but since I knew he disliked certain things I loved, it let me know that kind of movie getting a low review from him meant it would be dumb fun and not pretentious. Butbif he mentioned something that we both disliked, I knew to skip that movie.
Ebert famously reviewed a few things without giving a score; I believe one of them was Human Centipede about which he said, to paraphrase, “You’ll like this if this is the sort of thing you like.”
There’s a big aspect of genre siloing in gaming. Games tend to be developed very hard into specific genres and tropes, not all of which are things I like. However, game developers don’t necessarily like to be categorized that way, so the way things are marketed can get very muddled. I like games that are the sort of thing that I like, and when creators are actively working against me finding out what kind of game they made, I don’t always know what games are a good match for my tastes.
Then add to that: Often games will get very high ratings because the niche of players they cater to thinks the game is sitting near the apex of that niche–and nobody outside the niche is playing that game. But if that niche is, say, visual novels (which bore me to death), I’m not going to like a game. The high rating is, to me, a false signal.
But this is where curators can help! The fact that it’s a specific person with that specific person’s tastes is good if I happen to share those tastes. It helps me to avoid high-rated games that don’t contain the elements I enjoy in a game; and to find the games that cater to my tastes but aren’t marketed in a way that I recognize.
I need to know if I can pet the dog.
I just use the Denuvo one.
That information was actually added to Steam a while ago. There’s a gold box to the right of the store page under the compatibility section that says what third party DRM a game uses as well as if it requires agreeing to a EULA.
I’d also recommend the SteamDB browser extension if you want more information while browsing the store. It adds a ton of features such as displaying when a game was last updated, historical pricing, automatically skipping the age gate page, and a bunch more.
Yes, but he curator does inform you of removed Denuvo too. So if you browser some 80% off package deal and see that you can make a decision again on something you previously wouldn’t have considered.
Luckily, thanks to Denuvo’s bullshit licensing fees you can usually assume it’ll be removed after a year (assuming the developer is still putting out updates).
The curator system was Steams answer to all the asset flips and scam games,
I found them pretty useful. Total Biscuit led me to some great games back in the day.
who curates the curators?
You do? We all do? We choose to follow some and block others.
it was a play on who watches the watchers, not a serious question
Fair enough. I thought it was both =D