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    As long as Biden makes it past the vote and wins, he could drop dead a planck length past the finish line and we’d still have mission accomplished.

    Let’s be real, at this point Biden is a placeholder candidate above which you should see the nametag “literally just not Donald Trump again.”

    Especially after that one Supreme Court ruling, I cannot stress enough that you are either voting for Biden or supporting an American fall into dictatorship.

    This isn’t just about moral backbone in standing up for those who can’t anymore, it’s about survival. We beat them back or we may as well accept that the number of us who are gonna live to see the full depth of outcomes will be significantly less than the statistical average for most elections.

    Vote.

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      Yup, unite or die moment for the democracy, Joe has my vote, my time, my small donations.

      Besides, America has:

      • Under 4% unemployment
      • Record low crime rates
      • Dow near 40,000
      • Schedule 3 weed
      • Historic student loan forgiveness programs

      On substance, Biden has been a great president. On substance, Trump is a lying fascist who talks about being a dictator on day 1.

      Be a substance voter, not an optics voter.

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        I dont vote for corpses, and i certainly dont vote for genociders. You realize that voting in a corpse means the actual president is accountable to literally nobody, right?

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      I’ll only add that it’s not just Biden. Trump is a patsy here.

      Every D, any D, every election at all levels. For all time.

      If it’s a D primary I’ll vote policies and take a hard look at the candidates. That’s it.

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        Either candidate is voting for genocide, and they’re the only viable options. So your comment is pointless.

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          No, ya see, the guy whose signature policy was “ban Muslims from entering the USA” is going to be an ally to the Palestinians!

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        Ahhh duck off, if it comes to it, I’ll support 1 genocide over 2,3, or 10, if that’s the choice I have. I chose my solution in that trolley problem.

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          It is kinda dumb we can’t trust each other to all just vote third party. I’ll shut up because there are a million reasons it won’t work and giving it wind is the last thing I want. But this system is so fucked that we either get placeholder or fascist. Yay, American democracy.

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              How are you going to change the voting system when the people who have the power to change the voting system are the ones who benefit from the system as-is?

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                You start local with referendums and work your way up. That’s how Fargo got approval voting, for example.

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                  This is correct. It’s entirely sad that we have 100,000 people speculating how to do it and maybe 10 people actually working to get it done. If I could write you a check to quit your day job and work solely on this, I would. Sadly I can’t, otherwise I would have cut myself the same check.

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            The problem is first-past-the-post always leads to strategic voting, which leads to eliminating 3rd parties. And, once you have only 2 viable parties, they benefit immensely from FPTP, so they’re unlikely to ever get rid of it.

            Unfortunately, game theory was invented in the 1940s, and the USA was invented in the 1770s, so the founding fathers couldn’t make use of game theory to work out a good electoral system. Oh, and having to compromise with the slave-holding states and devising an electoral system that gave them power turns out to have had bad effects down the line. Who knew!?

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            I keep saying it but it is one big Prisoner’s Dilemma. The best next steps that can realistically happen are

            We vote in grandpa Joe.

            All these folks that are single issue Democrats FIGHT AND CHANGE THE SYSTEM. If you are an actual leftist, or just a Democrat, set the field for a fight you can actually win, instead of handing it to trump then fighting uphill with cement shoes. If it is a narrow miss, you have something to point at and go “look how bad we need third party options and a system that enables them!”

            (funfact, part 2 can not happen under he other guy) Losing the whole fight because you want everything to be perfect overnight is pathetic. Causes move slow nomatter how much the spastic activist brain wants everything perfect and right now. You also don’t bring anyone to your cause by being toxic about it.

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            Agree. But I don’t see anyone disrupting the status quo (let’s face it, Bernie is mint but old, AOC is mint but young, I’d get behind Newsom or Whitmer but I feel like they are grand because of my own bias) . I’ll take that pest over that cholera in the meantime.

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            Note that “third party” isn’t automatically better, given these third parties. I wager a Green Party minded person would be incensed if libertarians won, for example.

            I’ll also say that the current crop of third party candidates are impractically minded, so they wouldn’t be the sorts of folks I’d want in charge anyway.

            However, if they became a viable path to office (ranked choice voting), I bet they’d get better quality candidates running with them instead of compromising and running as D or R.

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            The impact of third parties on American politics extends far beyond their capacity to attract votes. Minor parties, historically, have been a source of important policy innovations. Women’s suffrage, the graduated income tax, and the direct election of senators, to name a few, were all issues that third parties espoused first.

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              Was someone arguing that third parties don’t have good ideas?? Are you just posting nonsequiters for fun? I don’t get it.

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        You’re right. If the dems split their vote and Trump wins he will definitely behave in a calm and moral fashion. It’s not like Trump is a vindictive and shortsighted tyrant. He’s an ethical, scholarly gentleman. He never behaves impulsively or in a cruel and mean spirited way. And if there’s one thing Trump is passionate about, it’s protecting the weak and downtrodden. He believes in the equality of all nations, and doesn’t consider any of them to be shit holes. And he’s definitely not recently on record saying that Israel should just go in and “finish the job”.

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        This would only make sense if Trump was less pro-Israel than Biden. He’s not. He wants Netanyahu to “finish the job” exterminating Palestinians. I’m sorry neither candidate is great on your single-issue voting mentality, but staying home or voting Trump will literally make life worse for both Palestinians and Ukrainians. (As well as Americans.)

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        If you vote for anyone other than the Dems in this election, you’re as good as voting for Trump, which is voting for genocide and losing your democracy. I fucking hate what’s happening in Palestine. I’m also realistic enough to see that you’ll lose your country if you don’t protect it.

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            The question is do you have a preference in being able to express potential future preferences?

            As bad as it has been, the R team went absurdly beyond in late 2020 with respect to refusing to recognize the result of an election, trying to use fake electors, by pushing to reject the certification of the electors, and a lot of people campaigning for board of elections to “ensure Republican victories”.

            They are openly working to establish a China-like system where there’s only one viable “party”.

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            If you have no preference between a self avowed dictator and a milquetoast politician, I question if your head is roundish or if there’s a large flat spot where part of your head was caved in.

            Because you can’t be naturally so stupid to be ambivalent to the country falling to a fascist who wants to genocide multiple groups, can you?

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        That’s a long way of saying you’re voting for genocide.

        That’s a long way of saying you don’t understand politics.

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            And the best way to end genocide is to do nothing. Because history is full of examples where doing nothing created change.

            Right?

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                  What does it do for Palestine, exactly? And if it’s so helpful, why aren’t Palestinian groups endorsing Biden?

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                Go ahead and tell the LGBTQ+ and every woman that you know that you don’t give fuck all about their rights to exist. Let them know that you chose instead to stand up for a country that you didn’t give a shit about less than a year ago over their rights to exist. Be sure not to forget to include that you are well aware that the genocide will continue with or without the aid of America, and with or without Biden in office- because you know NOTHING about how politics work.

                I’m sure they’ll be so proud of you for standing tall and curing them of that bad case of freedom they’ve been plagued by all these years.

                You have NO idea the damage you’re doing here.

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        I continue to be astounded by this argument. In what world would trump be less genocidey? Yeah I get it fuck Biden, I don’t like it either, yes it would be great if we had better candidates. We don’t though, we still need to do more work on that front, it sucks, but for fuck sake don’t risk letting trump win. Voting for Biden isn’t voting for genocide it’s voting against it getting even worse than it already is

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              Essentially a propaganda network of edgy teenaged “socialists” and “communists” that pretend to give a shit about things they don’t understand.

              And… welcome to your new home!

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              Basically an instance of childish people who’ve decided that the West is bad and evil and therefore everything Russia, China, or North Korea does is good and if you have any criticism of either three, you’ll get harassed or banned. In this case, one of them is showing extreme ignorance towards how American politics work. And confidently so. I recommend against participating in .ml posts, because it is laughably easy to get banned by their thin-skinned moderation team for no good reason. Even for participating in the non-political communities.

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        Wait… How is the Angry Creamsicle any better than Biden on the Israel issues? Didn’t Baby Fingers Trump move the American Embassy to Jerusalem (and proclaimed it the capital of Israel)?

        I’d love to understand why Biden is somehow worse than Dangerous Donald with respect to their views of Israel and Palestine? As a laymen, I only see two sides of the same coin. And frankly, that is not enough motivation for me to allow Adolf Twitler to be president a second time.

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              Yeah you are. You said above you are not voting, so you are voting for the guy that wins, that is how the math of the system works in the real world. Biden loses a swing state because 10,000 of your morons don’t vote that would have voted against trump and trump with a because of that one swing state…you enabled his win with your inaction.

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                No, that’s not how “the math in the system works”. A null vote is a null vote.

                If “the math in the system” worked as you claimed, that null votes were for Trump, then Trump would have won in a landslide in 2020 and this year would also be no-contest, as voter turnout is around 60%.

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                  You not knowing that is why your position is bad. The “null votes” went to Biden in 2020 (they go to the winner, not trump…as I never claimed. You misread that part). If you don’t vote or vote third-party, you voted for the person that ultimately wins the election.

                  The conservatives are going to vote and won’t stop voting just because their guy is evil, he can do anything and get their vote. You genocide clowns are only syphoning votes from the Democrats(GOP doesn’t care about genocides)…meaning your vote will support trump most likely.

                  This is not a hard concept. You can likely find a YouTube video that can explain it at your level.

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          Yeah, that was Clinton’s plan. Trump just got to it first.

          There’s no difference between them. If you think there is, go ahead and convince Palestinian groups. They’re not endorsing either nazi.

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            You haven’t answered my question. I bet you can’t, and won’t. You’ll continue to spew your (il)logical fallacies and do nothing more than pollute any meaningful conversation with your bullshit rhetoric. Go back to Reddit where you belong. The adults are talking here.

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              Lukewarm apologies for the liberal’s genocide are all over reddit. Why come here, honestly?

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                  I think it was the genocide of all this guy’s brain cells when forced to actually think for once.

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        Cause the other option totally isn’t…

        Voting third party is voting for the other guy, btw. (System sucks but we can’t change it overnight and a full shift of the democrat voters is a prisoners dilemma…I’ll let you figure out why that is bad)

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                Cite sources. You make claims up and down to the fact that third-parties have “influenced” elections [other than the spoiler effect, pulling votes from someone’s next preferred candidate]. So what third-party candidate has been shown to influence anything positively under our current system of voting.

                I tell ya, Putin must be running out of “the best and brightest” to the meat grinder in Ukraine if we’re left with you.

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            I understand you THINK that is the case. You do not understand first-past-the-post voting, you don’t understand electoral college, you don’t understand the mentality of the MAJORITY of out-of-touch voters that don’t even know what left and right mean. You lack the information needed to effectively champion your alleged cause and you are so bad at it that you are making enemies of the people that would rather stand with you in changing the system so we DO have third parties and your “solution” isn’t just an ignorant person’s pipedream.

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              You’re saying things, but you’re not explaining them. Historically third parties in the USA have had major influence on policy.

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                I am not American, but let me ask you one thing, is it worth it to take your stand in this election to rest your case in the fact that your vest stays clean - even if this is the last vote that you get?

                Because what I can see is that that’s precisely what happened in the Weimar years. People could not fully identify with one party so they made their own slightly different one. The only ones however to rarely actually care about policies are the fascists/nazis/right-wingers

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                Sounds like they may again. Idiots will vote for third parties, then the christofascist will win and take over and will enforce it’s policy.

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            With people who advocate courses of action that will only exacerbate the one topic they virtue signal about? Absolutely.

            If you cared about genocide you’d be trying to lessen it overall, not virtue signal on the Internet.

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            I’m not going to PMs, you can have this conversation in public.

            The worst way to convince Biden to stop a genocide is to promise you’ll vote for him no matter what.

            And the worst way to stop genocide is to let the ‘finish the job’ candidate win.

            Don’t pull that virtue signalling bullshit with me, I’ve had this conversation with genocide enablers many times. I hate what Biden is doing, but I’m not stupid enough to think that virtue signalling will do anything to help the people that trump wants to murder at home and abroad.

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    I don’t usually like to get political, but this isn’t even politics anymore; it’s just common sense.

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          Einstein defined common sense as the sum of prejudices acquired by the average person by age 18. He was making a point about how the ways neuronormative society expects people to think are highly culturally dependant. Einstein was of course the autistic person who proved our fundamental assumptions about spacetime wrong. Einstein was a great scientist precisely because he didn’t have any common sense. Common sense doesn’t reflect truth, it only reflects dominant social attitudes. Growing beyond those attitudes requires uncommon sense.

          If Trump wins, dominant social attitudes will be fascist. Common sense will be fascist. But truth and science will remain leftist. They will be very political.

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        Oh, a legitimate self-admitted fascist. Yikes…

        Plus, the Cruelty Squad profile pic is goofy, considering it was made by a leftist.

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          Yes, Fascism is growing all around the world. More and more of the political youth are getting tired of western democracy and western liberalism and are finding people like: Brother Nathanael, Nick Fuentes, and more classical writers such as Julius Evola.

          On the Cruelty Squad comment: I can enjoy a medium that was created by someone with whom I do not agree politically. Also, I agree with Ville Kallio on many points, such as uncontrolled capitalism leading to a dystopian corporatocracy.

          Also: I am not a National Socialist (Nazi) nor am I an anti-Semite.

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            Yes, I am aware that the far-right is rising, this is a reactionary response to the necessary problems within Capitalism, rather than a progressive, leftist response. The fact that scum like Fuentes are rising in popularity does not make it good.

            You can enjoy Cruelty Squad, but personally identifying with media that hates you is silly.

            I don’t care if you don’t consider yourself an anti-semite or a Nazi, you’re a fascist, and that’s enough.

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        What makes you a fascist and Trump not a fascist?

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          Trump is a Paleo-conservative and is pro: democracy, freedom of press, free-market, and is not totally Isolationist. None of that is the ideology of Fascism.

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        You mean something, something, Trump’s Jewish son-in-law something, who got $2Billion US from Arab musis from Saudi Arabia, something…?

        I dunno…

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        You don’t know that.

        Palestinian and muslim groups aren’t endorsing either candidate, unlike their vast support in 2020 for Biden.

        If the victims don’t see a difference, neither do I.

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          Netanyahu sees a difference. He’s definitely closer to Trump and already got wide concessions from him last time.

          See, the problem with this grift is that this time Trump isn’t a hypothetical. We know he broke convention on support for Israel to grant unprecedented leeway to Netanyahu already. As a matter of fact.

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            You don’t know better than the victims. I’ll follow their lead, not a genocide apologist’s.

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              ROFL! Dude… your cognitive dissonance is astounding! There is literal proof. Trump said himself that he intends to help Israel “finish the job.”

              At this point it’s willful ignorance.

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          Yes, we do. Fuckface 45 is the worst possible option.

          And any third party vote will simply solidify that Fuckface 45 vote.

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          Single issue politics is most of the reason we are where we are. The altright propaganda machine works both sides the same way and you’ve been duped by it. You think you’re doing some service to a group but your signing a death warrant to so, so many others. Stand tall on the hill you’re willing to die on, it’ll give you a great view of all the others that will suffer.

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      We’re getting genocide regardless of whether Biden is a corpse or not. There’s too many people in the government benefiting from this conflict. Biden’s role is mostly to sign off on decisions that have already been made, and people who would block them are not running for president and are being suppressed by the system from even trying.

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        None of them want to even try to understand this. I think standing up for something, even if it’s done from ignorance- somehow makes them feel like they’re part of something.

        If only they would make a half-assed attempt to try and understand how it works, they’d could join the rest of us in reality and we could guarantee a survival of democracy.

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          Try realllly hard. Bidens heart stops, right now. What, precisely, do you think will change in Gaza?

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          “a genocide”

          Tell us you’re under the voting age without telling us you’re under the voting age.

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              I’m denying nothing aside from any belief that you give a shit about anyone harmed by it.

              It’s safe to say at this point that your purpose here is obvious.

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                The guy thinks “Biden is doing a genocide”, his only real purpose it to stop people from voting for Biden without understanding how the voting system works, it is a weird way to undermine one’s self, or a troll, or a really bad maga PSYOP thing…dunno. Guy is single issue AF, but is doing nothing to solve that issue.

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                  That whole singularizing genocide thing is fucking cringy as hell. Anytime I see that shit I assume they’re not even of voting age.

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        Harris is the only person less popular than Biden. Which leads me to beleive the DNC will do what they do and make the worst decision possible, which is run Harris if Biden kicks the bucket or steps down.

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        No I’m not sure, but that’s still better odds than a lifelong fanatic Zionist like Biden

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        We might also need the politically disaffected youth, the politically oblivious median boomer and everyone inbetween.

        We need the people who would laugh at the suggestion that you can make politicians care by voting for them. It’s a hard argument to make with this candidate.

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          It’s not hard. This is where their power comes from. The fact that there is a well-oiled propaganda machine doesn’t change that.

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        Hey now, they didn’t say nuffin’ 'bout no elections, just a “which is your favorite, in order” kind of query. I like the cut of other dudes jib

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          I see what you’re getting at, and that angle didn’t cross my mind. If neither of them were running for president, I would agree 100%.

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    If only low-information apathetic undecided swing-state voters who will ultimately decide this election felt this way.

    Friendly reminder:

    • Biden won by only 40,000 voters in 3 battleground states in 2020.
    • Biden was up 10 pts in the polls at this time in 2020.
    • Biden is anywhere from 3-6 pts behind trump in every reputable poll today.
    • There is nothing from here until November to suggest those polls will budge, given their long-term steadily-declining trend, especially in the aftermath of that catastrophic debate performance.
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    Yeah the American Democratic and Republican parties do not realize how much pain they’ve caused the world… including their own populace. Being eaten alive by bed bugs in prison with no A/C is… pleasant, compared to what is possible

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    Y’all

    Biden’s corpse can’t win an election. It doesn’t matter if you personally prefer it, the majority of Americans aren’t like you. They aren’t going to vote for a corpse. Get this through your heads: if we do not replace Biden, Trump is going to win.

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        He’s polling behind Trump in New Jersey, which has been a Democratic stronghold since 1988.

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      You’re wrong. And don’t think the fact that you all clamoring for a biden replacement didn’t just start after the debate is lost on anyone . It’s almost like you latch on to whatever flavor of the week bullshit attempt to disrupt democratic votes you think is going to work for you in the end.

      Before the debate it was: vOtE 3rD pArTy!

      The predictable silence right after an event and just before you all copy paste each others propaganda is INCREDIBLY obvious bud.

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        This isn’t a conspiracy. Calm down.

        I will not vote for the genocidal mummy, so I was just going to write in Aaron Bushnell. Now that I see the chance to convince people to replace him I am taking it with both hands, because I might get to have a third option!

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          Of course it’s not a conspiracy. It’s just an attempt to divide the left.

          It’s a good thing for the rest of us that the only ones that dumb enough to believe your bullshit are kids that are too young to vote.

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          Voting outside the two real options is giving your vote to whoever actually wins. That is how our trash-tier voting system works. If you can get whoever the fuck that person you mentioned is to be the DNC choice, well that is a very slightly different situation. I don’t know or care who that is, but I am anti project 2025, so you would still have my vote. Other idiots that don’t know how the actual system works would write in Biden at that point or just not vote and you did more harm than good, but your conscious would be clear.

          So, stop telling people to not vote Biden and go be productive in getting Aaron whoever to be the DNC pick. Then you will have some slight chance at being useful and causing real change instead of shooting all your allies in the foot, repeatedly.

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            Aaron Bushnell killed himself protesting the Gaza situation. So she was declaring she was going to vote for a corpse after saying it’s dumb to expect people to vote for a corpse.

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            I’m not telling people to not vote for Biden? I’m telling people I won’t vote for genocide and then they get mad at me!

            But I don’t have to throw my vote away if they replace Biden at the convention! That’s why I’m pushing for it in the first place.

            Also? If you’re anti Project 2025 then you have to see why we need to replace Biden. Be mad at me all you want, but the facts are the facts and Biden is polling behind Trump in New Jersey now. He can’t win. So join me it getting rid of him!

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              You said you won’t vote Biden. If the DNC picks him and trump wins, you voted for trump.

              So go for it, get your no-name on there, how is he polling in NJ, ahead of trump? Hopefully he doesn’t lose the left more votes than he gains. I’ll vote for them because of my position…I have less of a choice than even you.

              My position is from AFTER reality smacks you folks in the face and we are stuck with Biden v trump again. Not voting for Biden in that not-so-hypothetical future is a trump vote(it is one less vote the other side needs to win), and if you vote for trump…yeah, I’ll have a little agro towards you.

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                If the DNC doesn’t replace him, Trump will win.

                I have to use the only leverage I have to force the DNC to listen before it’s too late. If you don’t help, you’re going to get Trump elected.

                If I tell the Democrats that I’ll vote for Biden then I’m giving up the only leverage I have. I have to do this. There is no other choice.

                Please, help us before it’s too late.

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                  If the DNC doesn’t replace him, Trump will win.

                  Nostradamus here with yet another load of horse shit.

                  You have NO leverage EXCEPT your vote. That’s it. That is what you have. End of story. And the belief that withholding it and doing nothing at all will bring desired change is the opposite of what is going to happen.

                  But you know that, don’t you? You’re here to divide the vote.

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                  That first part isn’t set in stone. I can find just as many “reliable predictions” pointing the other way.

                  Nobody is paying attention to your leverage in the way you hope.

                  See pt2

                  No, I will not syphon away blue votes with fairytale promises.

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      Lol, Bidens corpse would still curb stomp the rapist with 34 felonies come November. Take your bullshit and go fly a kite.

      • queermunist she/her
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        That’s a midterm election, kinda different. People just vote along party lines in those.

        The Presidential election is very different please don’t get Trump elected by running a corpse.

  • linuxgator
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    Anyone else think that we should move presidential elections to an odd numbered year so that people aren’t distracted by the Olympics during the prime period that they should be learning about the candidates?