• @[email protected]
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      The opposite issue for me: Big ass, big thighs, short legs.

      I’ve given up and now I tend to just buy women’s pants.

    • @[email protected]
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      Yeah, I’ve had that problem. One of the nice things about Reddit was r/tallfashion – acc had links to stuff with decent waist and inside leg. Have found some women’s trousers pretty good for that too.

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      Women’s pants are also bad about that. I was underweight from stress during my breakup and most women’s tall sizes start at a “6” which is like a men’s 32, more or less. I was not that big at that point. And to make matters worse, many of the allegedly tall pants just have a longer inseam and are not longer in the rise, as though all difference in height is just legs.

      Gap makes tall men’s (I just checked and they go down to 32"waist and have 36" inseam and right now the slim fit is so, so cheap in price) and women’s pants, they actually do make them tall not just longer inseam. I am not tall enough for their tall pants but get the best fit by buying tall and hemming them, because standard fit (to the extent it even exists in women’s clothing) is wedgie city, not long enough. They also make tall shorts, which is amazing,they actually fit.

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      It’s pretty annoying when I go to the clothing store, or Costco, or whatever, and everything is like size 46+ waist. I’m not sure if that’s all that is left because all of the average sizes were sold out, or if that’s the average size so they have a lot of them. Looking around at my fellow shoppers I think it’s the former, but again, I’m not sure.

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      What? I’m not slim, neither fat, I’m about average dude, but I rarely ever find pants that aren’t too long. Maybe it’s EU thing, but nearly every time I put on regular pants I feel like a scuba diver with the excesive pants as “fins”. Last pants I bought “short” version and I’d still need about inch shorter…

    • @[email protected]
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      Ok, why the fuck are pockets sewn shut at all??? I’m a guy and I see clothes like this too. It pisses me off so much, it was so close to being useful, most of a pocket is already there, why would they just give up?

      • @[email protected]
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        I think the real reason is so that the pockets dont get snagged or deformed while a product is being transported / stored / displayed prior to being sold.

      • @[email protected]
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        fake pockets look nice. If you need functional ones, just pop the stitching. Usually, the stitching keeping the pocket closed is very weak compared to normal seams.

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        I think the “reason” is that if pockets are available, the pant wearer will put stuff in the pockets. This adds “unsightly” bulk to the pants instead of following the natural body shape which looks “undesirable” and doesn’t influence other people to want to buy that brand and type of pants.

        This is the best reason could come up with and it’s a fucking stupid and infuriating reason. It’s time to become ungovernable. Learn how to mod the pockets back into pants. It can’t be that hard to figure out but it’s still royal bullshit that this is what it’s come to considering how much clothes cost.

        Does anyone buy women’s pants, mod pockets back into them and resell them on ebay? Or do corporations send their lawyers after people that try to do that? The idea of illegal pant dealers is dystopian as fuck.

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        You can easily answer this question yourself by looking inside/turning the pants inside out.

      • @[email protected]
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        It’s an actual pocket but I didn’t find this out until I was an adult - I thought that’s how they were made for a reason and if I cut the thread, it would make a hole in the pants. Nope, regular pockets just sewn shut for some reason.

        I think I was in my 30’s before someone told me the truth. It was a man IIRC lol…but yeah my mom never knew I guess, friends at school, etc, or if they did they didn’t tell me because I guess they never noticed.

  • @[email protected]
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    Things will only have useful size metrics when the buyers want useful size metrics.

    Men’s pants come with useful size metrics because they’re useful and we attach very little meaning to the measurement of men’s pants.

    Women’s pants come with stupid size metrics because we attach a lot of meaning to the measurement of women’s pants.

    It’s the same reason condoms sizes are all on the spectrum of large to extra large without actually providing a length and diameter.

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      When was the last time you measured your waist and then tried on a pair of pants?

      Men’s clothing has tones of vanity sizing these days.

      • @[email protected]
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        The cuts of fabric are cut with dies. A layer of fabric is place down and a press presses the cutting die down to cut out the shape. A cheap manufacturer over stacks how many sheets are cut at ones. Top layer is going to be bigger then the bottom layer.

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          I expect there is much more hand cutting going on than you realize. To have multiple styles and different cuts would require giant warehouses of dies. Those aren’t cheap and wouldn’t last long in a production environment. Any change would require a new die. The machine shop would need to be as big as the cut sew shop.

          One skilled (or trained) operator can change from pants to shirts on a whim. You’ll notice almost all clothing is made in far off places where labour is cheap. Not to say there isn’t die cut stuff, but overwhelmingly the textile industry is hand made.

          These things are how multiple layers of fabric gets cut.

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              I once bought a used 80 ton hydraulic press from Levi’s. It was used to cut blue jeans, cotton fabric dust everywhere in it. It used maple plywood and die rule cutting dies that could produce 1000’s of jeans pieces a day, (polyester/cotton fabrics are a bitch to cut). The dies could be swapped in a few minutes and rebuilt in about an hour with simple tools. The cost of the dies were about $1000 US and could last up to a year.

              Those hand operated cutters are fine for simple items made in small lots, but you want to make millions? They are useless.

              *I rebuilt it to cut sandpaper discs and sheets using similar die rule dies that could cut 3000 to 4000 pieces per rebuild.

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              I can see that, way more likely than cutting dies with a press. It would be a huge cost savings as there would be way less material waste and no user fuck-ups.

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            For pants? At scale, the dies are cheap and probably can be reused across multiple styles within the same brand and size. The difference between blue jeans and cargo pants isn’t the cut. It’s the fabric and accessories.

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              A roll of fabric is 54" wide. It will get rolled out in layers as long as the table allows. Now we need a press that can press over the entire length of the table and the table that will support that and the aforementioned millwrights and machine shop. Or we need any table at all and a guy with a knife.

              Not to say there aren’t things made with dies but Occam’s Razor and a career in textiles leads me to believe it’s not as common as you think.

              The difference between blue jeans and cargo pants isn’t the cut. It’s the fabric and accessories.

              This tells me you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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                You don’t layout your fabric on long table. You feed it from a 5000lbs roll with an automatic indexer and then die cut it. One operator can do the job start to finish. (Been there done that as a toolmaker who made some pattern die rule dies for Levi’s and then bought and rebuilt an 80 ton hydraulic press from them that had whacked out blue jeans every day for 20 years and rebuilt it to cut sandpaper discs for the next 15 years)

                The CNC cutter is valuable for a company that does custom cutting work for outside customers rather than for in-house work. Fast to make changes with minimal setups. But prepping the material to feed the machine is more labor intensive.

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                  I was friends with a lady who worked at a dress shirt factory. She ran the bolt back and forth on a carriage over a long table and the stack was cut by another guy with that knife I showed earlier. I imagine it all depends what you’re making and what you’re making it out of whether you die cut or not. Fast fashion (which Levi’s aren’t) would not be die cut.

                  I make boat canvas and layout and cut by hot knife. The only efficiency I get is if something is symmetrical I cut both side at the same time.

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      It’s the same reason condoms sizes are all on the spectrum of large to extra large without actually providing a length and diameter.

      In Germany the packaging indicates the [Edit: diameter half circumference] in millimeters ±2mm tolerance. Because, you know, size matters here.

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          The literal translation of what’s on the box makes it easier to understand:

          Width of the condom when laid flat: 52 mm

          It’s simply the easiest width measure you can do yourself.

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            That isn’t equal to the “width” of your dick though. Diameter is closer.

            I guess it doesn’t really matter if the measure is standard (though elasticity would also affect fit) so you “learn your size” once, but it doesn’t seem super useful to me.

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              Sure, but diameter is also harder to measure on something like a latex tube. Just measure the circumference, divide by 2, then measure the condom.

              I’d personally prefer it to be the circumference (so double the condom width).

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        So that thing is 4 inches across? Eek!

        Edit: oh, you said “half circumference”. For some reason I thought that I read diameter.

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          It did read “diameter”. I remembered it wrong and corrected my mistake. Sorry for not highlighting the edit. I did so now.

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            Right on. I was going to feel pretty inadequate if there were enough guys walking around with soda cans between their legs to justify a market for 4" unstretrched diameter condoms.

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          Then you must have the weirdest waist ever, for a man.

          I am able to go out into any store with my current waist size, and get a good-fitting pair virtually every time without even trying it on. Now, I may not like certain styles - I prefer my belt to be at my bellybutton, not halfway down my hips such that any erection can only ever point down - but men’s sizes are remarkably consistent.

          • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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            I thought that too, until I actually measured my waist because I needed to buy some hunting pants online. I’ve worn the same size Levi’s since I was 15 years old, and I figured that was my actual waist size. It’s not. Measure yourself and compare it to the waist size of your jeans. They don’t match up.

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              Are you measuring your waist or your hips? Counterintuitively the waist measurement is not where your trousers actually sit.

          • @[email protected]
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            Try and find a 38" waist with a 36" inseam. Even in Tall and Big man stores they assume you have at least a 44" waist.

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              Try and find a 38" waist with a 36" inseam.

              Then that is an availability of options issue, and not any kind of issue where manufactures label a pair of pants to be a 38 when it is really a completely different size.

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            I bought several pairs of shorts recently from the same brand, all the same waist size, and some definitely fit better than others. There are always manufacturing variances.

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      Yeah, I wear 33W pants but they measure 36" around the belt loops. This isn’t the result of vanity sizing, though - men used to wear pants that were very high-waisted, but as pants got lower over the decades they kept using the “nominal” waist measurement so that men would still know what size to buy, since the circumference around the hips (where most pants are cut today) is about 3" less more than the circumference of what used to be the waist.

      Pleats are another useless holdover from the high-waisted era, as they made it easier for pants to expand down over the hips and thighs.

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        I don’t know, maybe your pants are half an inch thick, and you overlooked accounting for that

  • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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    Woah there, men’s pants aren’t size 30, that’s a worthless measurement. We use the inseam too, so they are the right length and the right width. :p

    Ie. 32x32

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      Yup. Unfortunately, it’s also incredibly hard to find anything outside of “normal” ranges. I’m tall and skinny, and finding pants is… a challenge, so I just buy a width size higher and wear a belt. I’m a 33x34, but generally buy 34x34 (used to fit 32x34, but those days are long past). Sometimes I need to go up to 36x34.

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    Unfortunately, that isn’t quite right for guys. Skinny, straight, relaxed…. All these types changes the fit and sizing. I wear one waist size larger for skinny.

    Women’s are much worse sizing wise but the difference is that guys jeans generally just look acceptable . When a woman gets jeans that fit her correctly, they can look amazing. I doubt guys ever get compliments on the fit of their jeans.

    For women, they could use 6- measurements to standardize it but unfortunately a lot of people fall for vanity sizing and don’t want to accept that they gained weight.

    It happens for guys clothing too. If it is a letter based sizing there are huge variations in sizing between clothing companies. For high end brands I wear a large, at Walmart or other box stores, I wear a small.

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      Yeah, t-shirts absolutely suck. I’m thin, tall, and like to wear my pants lower on my hips, so shirt length is absolutely essential. In most cases, L is an inch or so longer than M, so I get L even though M would fit my chest better. I honestly wish they would just make a size between M and L, like M+, which would be just be a bit longer M (like 2 extra inches).

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        We really need separate length and width measurements. I’m tall and very skinny. I usually go for a medium, but sometimes even a small, so my shirts are frequently close to too short. If I go larger than I look like I’m swamped in my shirt and it looks horrible.

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          Exactly. I just live with the fact that shirts look horrible on me. It’s better than people seeing my butt crack when I bend slightly to open a door…

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        I have seen a regular and long but only on high end brands. Abercrombie and Fitch is a good example. Their tops have a size and length.

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          Yeah, I’m not paying $40-50 for a t-shirt. I feel bad enough paying $30 on a t-shirt to support someone’s YouTube channel…

          A t-shirt should be $10-20, depending on branding and quality, maybe $30-40 if it uses some super-fancy fabric or something (e.g. merino wool should be $40-ish).

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      I shop for pants in the Men’s section because the woman’s section doesn’t have big enough sized for my wide ass…

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    Yeah I gave up on jeans and bought a dozen pairs of the exact same pants that fit well, then dyed them.

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    Sometimes you are different sizes in the same brand. And I don’t mean you might need a small shirt and large pants. No. Sometimes, this pair of pants only fit in large, and this pair of pants only fit in medium. Same brand.

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        Agreed, though I usually just buy brands that I already have items from so I’m familiar with their sizing.

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      I don’t. I buy most of my clothes at Costco because I’m familiar with their sizing, they’re good quality for the price, and I really don’t care about fashion whatsoever. Also, their fabric is usually kinda stretchy, so I don’t need to be as precise with the fit.

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    Ah no, some brands XXL is really just L+.

    This is a real example from a somewhat quality brand.

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      For men, cheap Amazon clothes sizing is increasingly Chinese sizes, so a XXXL is a US large.

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    Is it bad that I call the sizes written on american women’s clothing ‘cattle gauge’ measurements?