also can we get a score card on how are posts are doing?

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    Realize that this is a small bubble and susceptible to group think. Don’t base your world view on Lemmy.

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      …and avoid the ones from .ml instances. There’s usually a non-ml equivalent for almost every community.

      • qaz
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        However, the alternatives are often on .world or shitjustworks.

      • @[email protected]
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        To reduce centralization. The more spread out things are the less vulnerable Lemmy is to a major loss if an instance shuts down and the less power any single admin has.

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            [email protected] helps. You can also post about them in related communities if the community rules allow and communities can partner with each other to link in community sidebars.

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            The same way you do any other instance just be there for the mods. Update it regulary even if you are the only one to make the instance updating it.

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                  It turns out that the idea that you can move freely around the Fediverse was a lie - or at least, it is something that isn’t fully implemented yet.

                  I don’t think account mobility was ever an expectstion until recently, just that you could access all federated instances from any instance. I can ‘move freely’ with my account to any federated instance without needing separate logins.

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                I have limited agreement with your thoughts on defederation. The ability to defederate is important because there are instances that host csam and other illegal things. That content federating across all instances could put some instance owners in legal jeopardy and is undesirable even without legal considerations. Beyond filtering illegal content and large amounts of spam I prefer to curate my own experience. That’s why I chose lemm.ee. It’s a general purpose instance with a good admin that is generally well moderated. Lemm.ee doesn’t tend to cause problems for other instances so few instances have defederated from it and it basically only defederates instances that host illegal material or copious amounts of spam.

                Not everyone wants that same experience though. The amount of political posts and doom posting can get overwhelming and depressing. Constantly seeing posts that challenge or attempt to invalidate parts of you identity gets exhausting. More controlled and curated instances can be a nice break from the full experience. Anytime I’ve interacted with beehaw communities it has been pleasant and much less stressful than the general lemmy community. I can understand why some users prefer to stay in that environment for all of their time on lemmy. This is ultimately recreation, users should enjoy their experience here. The same with blahaj, it’s nice to sometimes see content concerning minority identities without there being the same debates in the comments. When I interact with communities there and see how they talk about things I learn and grow as a person. Those discussions wouldn’t be possible on a less controlled instance.

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          The problem is that Lemmy is already small and niche. I don’t want my account or communities to go poof one day because a small instance admin gives up or forgets about their project. I’ve actually seen users go through this several times.

          I get the idea in theory, but in practice, it doesn’t end up panning out well.

          Self hosting is a thing, sure, but a lot of people don’t at all want to do that.

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              In addition to splitting up communities to the point where you have to follow multiple of the same community in different instances to get more than a slice of the content.

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      Don’t waste you time, energy and emotional capacity trying to earnestly engage with people unwilling to do the same. You will gain nothing. They might gain something, beyond living rent-free in your head. It’s a deal neither fair nor healthy.

      Should probably apply that to every social media, not just Lemmy.

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        I will caveat that sparring with bad faith actors can be helpful as long as you remember that you are not trying to convince them. You are trying to convince the audience. This is a public forum and debates are public debates.

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      Also, learn to enjoy the downvotes that inevitably come from talking shit about Tankies, for their tears truly are delicious

      Edit: Mmmmm yesssss moooorrreeee

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        You mean like how the comment you responded to is one of the most upvoted comments on this post?

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      Best to block the tankie instances and then tag or block the wild ones in the comment sections as you see them, because commenters can’t blocked wholesale.

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        Because we’re more conscientious? Because we’re more tech-savvy? Because we’re more suspicious of links?

        IDK but I appreciate it

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        Probably due to the average age of a lot of people on Lemmy. I’ve found that a lot of people who are middle aged or older have a preference for text over video.

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          I’m not old, I just don’t want dig though 20 minutes of “content” to watch a 3 second clip. It’s like SEO filler at this point. I’m here to doom scroll, not watch videos. A video feels like hitting a speed bump.

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          Interesting, I assumed the average age was younger here.

          I wonder.

          Also, I noticed text on a lot of videos on tiktok, and that skews young, right? like vine never had subtitles, but that was a lot of young people too.

          Maybe the culture is just changing, a lot of other countries use subtitles for everything.

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            It’s not subtitles, it’s text instead of video.

            As an “older” person, I much prefer one or two paragraphs I can skim in 30 seconds to a 5-10 minute video that is 95% fluff…

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        I suspect it’s some social justice posing bullshit in the name of blind people, but I like it because it’s broken the stranglehold that the “hey instead of reading a 30 second article let’s watch a 10 minute video loaded with ads!” mentality has on gen z.

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          Heaven forbid those woke ass blind people be able to enjoy life the same as people with full vision!

          Also, it’s a text description of a video. How tf does that help blind people more than just watching the video?

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            Text readers are more accurate than video interpreters. Blind people use the internet by having bots read text out loud to them.

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      This feels like something that should be solved by code, not culture. Users shouldn’t be inconveniencing others when simply trying to share content with all relevant communities.

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        Actually this is solved by the web frontend, it just list the crosspost under one of the post. People bitch about them is 100% from using mobile app or 3rd party frontend.

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          Not everyone crossposts. Some of them just spam the same thing on any communities that seem related. That’s probably good for smaller communities, but it makes browsing by Newest really suck - especially when browsing All and not just local or subscribed.

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      I disagree with this - on the web client crossposts are only shown once if you are subscribed to multiple communities. It’s useful if the same community is in multiple instances, or if there’s both a general and specific category that the content makes sense for.

      I do think Lemmy could do with improving the UI though, and have communities that span multiple instances.

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        For starters it spams all. Also very often people spam a meme in like 10 meme communities and then its all over your feed.

        Lemmy is quite small, one user can make a noticeable difference. Like I’d bet you could check my profile and recognise smth I’d posted. So 2-3 communities is OK, but going beyond that is excessive.

        Now I’m not sure about how crossposts are dealt with, also I’m on an android app anyways. Mostly repeat posts aren’t crossposts but one image in several communities.

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      I would argue that. There are some very technical communities, though they are rare

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    Also, re: The score card thing.

    Don’t worry to much about karma; that’s just a Reddit thing and is part of toxic social media culture. We don’t do that here.

    Unless you are getting mass downvoted, I guess. In which case, try to figure out why or something.

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      Usually, when you’re mass downvoted, you’re the asshole. But sometimes you’re just not deep enough in the circle jerk soup.

      But if it keeps happening, yeah, you’re the asshole.

    • Don_DickleOP
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      Why I think this is the perfect site to give Reddit for a run for its money.

    • @[email protected]
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      Well considering we left Reddit because Reddit told us to fuck off, I see no reason not to just repost their shit here. I don’t usually bother, but I’m not against it either.

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      Honestly, I regret not putting more effort into setting up a good foundation here before the API drama hit. There was a chance to fix many of the problems of reddit, and poor communication just let people import all the problems right back.

      Hell, people are still calling communities ‘subs’. Even basic stuff like that. And I’m not blaming people for coming into a place without learning about its culture, unfortunately that’s just normal and it happens. I’m just annoyed we didn’t create ways to educate them easily, like guidebooks and introductions on the sign-up page.

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        Specifically about calling communities subs: I think it’s a weakness of the wording. “Community” is a more descriptive name, if a little generic, but for me the shortened “sub” from subreddit is much more natural, faster to type/say. Shortening community to “comm” isn’t distinctive enough for people to know what you’re talking about.

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          I don’t notice that issue with ‘comm’, but maybe that’s just because I’ve been around it and using it for years (just like the indistinct word ‘sub’ becomes meaningful and distinct in context once you see ‘subreddit’ a few times). It was a bit odd the first couple of times I saw it because I already associated the term with ‘communications’, like ‘send out comms’.

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          The only reason I hang around here is because there’s no forum equivalent

          Equivalent of what? A place where you could make your own communities? (without spinning up a server or being a disconnected island) Yeah, I can only think of imageboard examples of reddit-like DIY community sites, and those… really aren’t what you asked for (very few had intelligent discussions, and by their nature, they mainly just attracted people who got banned from more normal communities).

          Unless mods wanted to spend 24/7 making sure people didn’t use FOSS Reddit the same way Reddit was used, that was always going to happen, if it hadn’t then people would have went back to Reddit to doom scroll again.

          Exactly. There’s not really any point to me crying ‘we’re not a reddit clone! we’re not a reddit clone!’

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          Good question. Especially since a lot of these are things I only notice in hindsight.

          • Volunteer to implement helpful hints at a systematic level, even small things like linking the join-lemmy.org documentation on the signup page by default, and adding placeholder text for instance and community admins to see and tweak for their own rules. I say ‘volunteer’ because the devs were, and are, far too busy to do everything themselves.

          • Create and share around image/infographic guides on why Lemmy is different to reddit. This could actually have been a good promotion tool too, back when we really needed it. I actually hastily made a quick one during the sudden migration, but I don’t think it’s worth digging up, it was very basic and not well thought-through.

          Then again, some people had no real problems with reddit except for the API stuff. The people who came here earlier often had complaints about reddit’s overall community trends, you know, people replying to headlines and clearly not reading the actual article at all, empty fluff like a random pun being the three highest rated comments, buttloads of junk replies like ‘wow’, ‘this’, ‘i wish i could upvote twice’ to scroll past. And I don’t think there’s much I myself could do to fight things like that, without putting in far too much time and effort (this site isn’t my life!).

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            The junk replies, that’s something propped up by the users no? When we bump up posts that we like instead of relevant ones, those things get the visibility. I think.

            As in, I don’t see what would be done besides tons of moderation or short post restrictions. Something I don’t find feasible

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              When we bump up posts that we like instead of relevant ones, those things get the visibility. I think.

              Yep, I haven’t actually checked the ‘Hot’ algorithm code (it’s publicly viewable) but I believe so. And there’s another related tough-to-solve phenomenon in any social media site where the most populist, simple, agreeable things are likely to get the most upvotes/likes/etc., and therefore the most reward. So unfortunately, a front page is often filled with low-meaning content like those jokes, or shallow but agreeable populist platitudes (which there’s nothing wrong with if you’re here for entertainment, but is an issue for more serious communities). I think tons of moderation is also the only cure for that, because I can’t think of an alternate bump system that works (for example, forums which use the ‘last bumped’ system reward posts for getting replies, so flame and troll posts that start rapid arguments rise to the top instead, and posts often just say ‘bump’!)

              As in, I don’t see what would be done besides tons of moderation or short post restrictions. Something I don’t find feasible

              I agree. There could be tricks like auto-moderation software detecting replies that a comm/instance staff considers to be an issue (e.g. a reply just saying ‘this’ or ‘lol’) and auto-replying with a caution against low-effort posting, but false positives could be a pain so it all comes back to more moderation staff in the end. It’s ultimately a network with a very open and growing community, unless you’re in a smaller private community. And Lemmy enables those to be created, so I can be happy with that if I ever want to create a more serious place.

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      I hate the company running reddit, but damn the users here suck. It’s getting a little better as membership increases and more normies show up, but yeah. You’re far more likely to find interesting conversations on reddit, still.

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    If you want your upvotes/downvotes to actually be private, create a seperate account that only votes and never comments/posts.

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        Former Redditors are used to upvotes/downvotes being private by default.

        But this really depends on the user. Most reasons for this would be privacy related reasons.

        • Some users vote differently knowing that their votes are public. If they want to vote freely they would consider an option like this.

        • To combat profiling from others/corporations.

        • To avoid certain users that take downvotes way too seriously.

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      Do you have info on this? Can mods or admins see who votes what?

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        As I understand it, because we’re using a federated system the only way to keep track of votes at all is if one instance tells another “such and such a user up voted this post”. Whether or not a user interface surfaces that information so mods or admins see it is a separate question, but the data is there, so a safe assumption that whatever you vote on will be accessible to others.

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                That might be a setting specific to that instance. With other kbin instances it is possible to see reduces (or at least you have been able to do so in the past).

                Maybe there’s been a recent update to all kbin instances so that the reduces tab is no longer clickable?

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                  It hasn’t been possible for quite a while.

                  I’m not aware of a single one that currently allows it. Do you know of one?

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        I believe some of the apps lets anyone see who has up-/downvoted you and if I’m not mistaken on kbin you can see that as well.

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    Don’t say anything positive about Apple products or suggest it would be good if there were a democratic candidate other than Biden.

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      It’s because apple is generally opposite of this type of place. Lemmy is more FOSS (free and open software), and android is more open than apple. Apple’s closed garden isn’t appealing to most tinkers, developers, and power users. Apple is more main stream and don’t want to bother with setup, settings or tinkering.

      Personally, I hated Apple before even their first cell phone was around, because their software lockouts were infuriating to me, creating a disposable iPod paper weight after only 2 years back then. I never looked back.