People who get upset over everything are upset. More at 11.
It was not the last supper but a representation of the greek god Bacchus, since of course the Olympics have a greek origin. I find it funny that christians got so triggered.
A lot of Christians don’t realize how heavily influenced their religion is is by other more pagan and polytheistic religions.
Seriously, just look up images for “Isis and child Horus”, for instance.
Without context he only way to tell if it’s Christian or ancient Egyptian is the hat, if present.
No, the blue smurf dude was Bacchus. This was a different part.
Blue dude is Philippe Katerine. He is know for doing weird things. About his show in the ceremony he declared to the press “I was cold and I liked it” article in French
He was also delighted that Musk was shocked. Katherine is,rightfully, quite popular around here.
NBC didn’t even broadcast this part of the ceremonies, people who are upset about this are looking to get upset.
The real news story here is that NBC is apparently censoring the Olympics.
The link literally goes to nbc news, and contains a video of that exact performance. How exactly are they censoring the Olympics? Edit: was this not broadcast on live tv, just online? I didn’t watch live.
I’ve got copies of both the US and Australian broadcasts. I’m in the process of building a synchronized side-by-side video showing what each broadcaster put out.
I’d love to share it if I could convince YouTube’s bots that it’s not a copyright violation.
And if there’s a PeerTube instance out there that won’t mind me uploading it there, I’m happy to share it with you.
Update: I uploaded this to the Internet Archive today: https://archive.org/details/olympic-blue-man-4
You should totally upload it to the Internet Archive. They have something similar for 9/11 news programs.
This is a FANTASTIC idea. I’m uploading it now.
Great! Link it here when you do it, I’d be very curious to see it!
This is really killing me. The Last Supper is a fucking painting. It ain’t in the book. There’s no part of the Bible where it says and Jesus sat down at a stupidly long table and all of his asshole Apostle sat down on the same side and posed weirdly. Why is the painting suddenly holy? Since when do conservatives like art? I’ve never met a conservative who didn’t want to burn most paintings.
Judas: so lets get this last supper going.
Jesus: the what supper?
Judas: good supper, nice supper, normal supper!
good supper, nice supper, normal supper!
Super supper!
I’ve never met a conservative who didn’t want to burn most paintings.
How does ignorant, fabricated hate get so many upvotes here?
Just a product of people having an overconfidence in themselves being right (and therefore good) while those that disagree are wrong (and therefore wrong).
The irony is that the most batshit insane MAGAs have the same thought process. Liberal tears and all that.
This is a “conservative tears” kind of thing. It’s a “they take the low road, we also take the low road” kind of strategy which only gives credence to the usually fallacious “both sides” arguments.
General lack of critical thinking skills. If you want a tolerant society, actively disrespecting the beliefs of others probably isn’t the best way to go about it.
Yup. Maga supporters are some of the worst I’ve come across. But what I’ve learned, especially on Lemmy, is that it’s not even remotely isolated to them.
lol. you are so fucking naive. you think they’ll return the favor if we respect their idiotic beliefs? do you think that aliens are going to land and take our side because we took ‘the high road’? there’s only one solution for christian conservatives.
You’d be surprised how much of the belief was added as expansion packs by the early church.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
The painting is just another notable addition to the cinematic universe.
We don’t talk about the rival fanfic, or the original book fans. It’s not as good as ours. And our main character in the sky is totally different.
The entire opening ceremony was riddled with elements that were exaggerated specifically to give the middle finger to people who can’t help but force their personal religious beliefs on others. And seeing how riled up they’ve been getting over it, I must say it worked.
An event that’s supposed to bring people together, instead purposely creates division. I’m agnostic af, but I can clearly see this is bad taste.
If you like creating division, then by all means celebrate it I guess…
They included everyone who has been excluded from the beginning and made a statement that they will not pander to those who want them excluded anymore. Those who were angry at this are those who wanted to keep these people excluded. I’d say it’s a pace in a good direction to bring people together. There is only a group of people who will need to learn they can’t force their way on others anymore.
For crying out loud had these people had their way again we wouldn’t even have had that badass metal music show in front of the
BastilleConciergerie, where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death.badass metal music show in front of the Bastille.
Didn’t realize that was in front of the Bastille, you can’t get more anti authoritarian than that.
My bad, the building it took place at was La Conciergeie, which is the location where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death. The Bastille no longer exists.
But I mean, the anti-authoritarian vibe immediately peaked at the beginning with a beheaded Marie-Antoinette singing about hanging the aristocrats.
you can’t get more anti authoritarian than that
You could drown Macron in the Seine, to start with. (I mean, he’d probably suffocate rather than drown, but still.)
Ah yes, inclusion is division. Good double speak here.
No no, you don’t get it. They don’t like drag, and we should’ve known christian’s don’t like drag and wouldn’t want to go to a drag show. So by us doing them anyways, knowing they won’t be there, we’re excluding them by not excluding them while they exclude themselves. We’re the assholes y’all.
We’re the assholes y’all.
ah damn it, if you put it like that.
It’s Christianity causing the division. Not the inclusions of the LGBT.
Drag !== LGBT.
LGBT is Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, three sexual orientations, and Transgender- a modifier of gender expression.
Drag is a performance.
The only people creating division are religious people who can’t switch off their offended brain for once and laugh a little.
if you have to conform to what a single group wants while ignoring the actual countries who created the games and those who host them, that’s not”bringing people together” it’s just giving in to narrow views and acting as if only one group has legitimacy and the right to decide on anything. there is no “bringing together” of different people and things in that.
The sad part is, that this just gives them more ammo. Having said that though, they look for ammo constantly, even without olympics they would find something else.
i’m glad they’re triggered. fuck christians.
Who cares
But only against christians, no othetlr religion or lack thereof.
Pretty sure some of these other religions have a problem with scantily clad women, gay people and drag queens. That you think this was “only against christians” is pretty telling.
I would imagine if it was a bunch of straight people in silly costumes we would be having a very different conversation… Maybe about how art was once part of the Olympics. That would be a fun thing to talk about.
“How dare the queers…” is so tiring a conversation to keep having over and over.
I’m having this exact discussion with someone else in the comments. There are so many parodies of this painting but this is the one that causes outrage. I wonder why…
So you’re indignant that the middle finger was only to Christians? And not everyone else? Weird hill to die on. And I’m pretty sure the middle finger wasn’t specifically to Christians, but to literally every moron with a stick up their ass about what other people do in their personal lives.
Also, the “lack thereof” is called atheism and attacking atheism is like attacking someone for not collecting stamps (to bastardize Penn Jillette). Quite a waste of time and effort.
That’s because other religions are minorities in the West and get too much hate and vitriol as it is.
Isnt the olympics about unity? If you have to single out a group to make fun of, maybe you shouldnt
Rejecting your religion’s bigotry is not “singling you out”.
Wow get over your jurt feelings because of a, … checks notes …, a screenplay with colored people or gays or something.
Aren’t you christians supposed to be inclusive and not hating bigots?
Grow up lol.
Really? They fully declared the performance was unquestionably for Christians? Not everything in the world is about Jesus.
It was literally the Last Supper. I dont know how much more christian specific you can get
Da Vinci’s the last supper is much more of an art accomplishment than a symbol of Christianity. I’ve seen soooo many parodies of the last supper that just wanted to make a simple joke using something people recognize. Again, not everything is about religion, for example, the satanic temple has “Christian symbols” but is a fully securely belief system.
Edit: so it turns out they were actually doing “Jan Harmensz van Biljert’s Feast of the Gods, painted +/- 1635”. It’s the most Christian thing to do to just assume cause it reminds you of your symbolism, you get to restrict how people use it.
it literally was not. i guess you skipped most of this discussion? and the article itself? it’s explained what it was a scene from. (hint: not from christianity).
nah. fuck christians.
isn’t faith about humility? it’s arrogant to turn a celebration of a different culture into an attack on one’s “faith” yet we see cosplay christians do this literally every single day. spiritual materialism isn’t spiritual in any way. it’s using the trappings of religion like a weapon to attack others and gain power over them. it’s not about any relationship with God, or following any teachings. no faith in any god is shown by such reactions. it’s selfish, quick to anger, blind, unforgiving, arrogant, hypersensitive, and morally wrong.
Not unity specifically. Excellence, Respect and Friendship without discrimination. Technically “unity” is not a core mission statement and what is considered culturally significant is left to the host country to decide.
Is a fashion show featuring people dressed to reference Greek Gods off brand for the French?Not really. Historically speaking the Nobility used to employ people to dress up to become Greek gods in tableau to serve as living lawn ornements.
The original Olympics, both the ancient practice and the og international competition used to also feature arts and culture. Since the painting they were referencing was not the Last Supper and about Greek Gods it wasn’t an intended act of disrespect or division … But other forces are definitely choosing to make it so based on the idea that these things should be of the broadest possible appeal.
they think that. somehow it doesn’t occurs to the “christians” that the olympics aren’t about them and aren’t focused on them at all. it wasn’t the last supper. it was homage to greek and french culture and history. because the olympics originated in greece and are being held in france. sheesh.
Dipshits don’t even get it’s this based on this painting https://musee-magnin.fr/en/node/19 which is in a French museum, about the gods of Olympus, and includes the lyre you see in the recreation. It’s not the last supper which is in Italy and not in France. Similar framing of course - clearly on purpose - but who cares. What dumbasses, outrage machine go burrr
I wish conservative Christians were educated enough to know what a bacchanalia is.
I wish conservative Christians were educated
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Only time I’ve heard it in use is in the film, A Christmas Story.
Interesting (had to Google it)
Imagine you’re the master race, confident and strong and then some people wear different clothes than you expected on TV and your whole world is just shattered lol.
Oh no, the poor christians and conservatives who rather see us at the burning stake than acknowledge that their God created us queer-people just like we are. Fuck em that they felt hurt looking at this display, we were and are constantly hurt!
i always smh when people use the bible to justify their non-christian virtues. christians don’t care and it’s a stupid book to begin with. if a christian ever tells me i’m doing something wrong, i look them right in the eye and say “PROVE YOUR GOD IS REAL OR SHUT THE FUCK UP”.
don’t use their religion for reasoning. it’s a form of validation.
I’m a Christian for 13 years, I see this all the time Nowadays and it actually fortifies my beliefs even more, because our bible and particularly our Jesus, said would happen in the last days before he returns. If only you all had faith you could appreciate the magnitude of what’s to come, heaven isn’t a place in the sky, it’s another world ruled by aliens thar have been around long enough to create us and this entire universe.
Hilarious comment from an article I read. Meanwhile,I thought Da Vinci was excommunicated.
I just wish these people had reading comprehension beyond a third grader so they could actually read that awful book (the Bible)
Even in you take everything in it at face value, it’s not even a good story (overall), and all of the little stories are shit.
Christians need to: first, read the Bible, and the second, read a few pieces of classic literature. Your book is shit, most of it doesn’t even make sense
There’s actually a lot of interesting stuff in the text when you learn how to spot it between the lines of the revisionism. Both OT and NT.
The problem is you basically only have two camps.
One, that thinks the text as it exists today represents an unadulterated divine transmission.
And the other, that thinks anything to do with it is worthless nonsense.
So there’s very few people actually looking at it in between those two extremes, with most engaged with the material clustering around the former, or at very least with an anchoring and survivorship bias around the former cluster.
We’re left with audiences for the text that on both sides would be incredulous at the idea that, say, the Exodus narrative was in part an appropriation of the LBA/Early Iron Age sea peoples history when they were forcibly relocated into cohabitation with the Israelites, or say, that Jesus was taking about evolution with the sower parable.
Even though both those things have very compelling cases that can be made given emerging available evidence, the discussion is all about the acceptance or wholesale rejection of canon with little to no discussion of what actually exists in the absence of the BS.
It’s most disappointing for the latter group though. While I kind of get the way the trauma of proselytizing and indoctrination turns minds off to anything connected with the material, it’s very frustrating that what should be the healthy opposition cedes so many claims of authenticity to the faithfully blind.
I strongly, vehemently disagree. I could probably count the number of “good” stories. I.e.: actually make sense, aren’t just complete idiocy, aren’t in the Old Testament because everything that happens in that part is somehow simultaneously horrific, disgusting, incestuous, genocidal… And yet still so goddamn fucking boring… I can count those ones on one hand.
It’s almost entirely complete nonsense. Even the parts that are meant to be historical records “x beget y blah blah” are bullshit. Dozens of pages of alleged family trees, and none of it adds up. Oh yeah and people lived well into their mid -100s because why not. What the fuck is that?
The entity that we’re meant to want to worship after reading is described with such petty human emotions as jealously and rage. He is responsible for numerous genocides, child murder (large and small scale). The book of Job is an awful story of ruining the life of his most loyal follower (including murdering his family) just to prove to the devil that he’d remain faithful. So fucking stupid. Noah’s Ark has to be one of the most nonsensical stories ever and so many fucking people think it’s literally true.
Meanwhile, the “adversary,” the ultimate evil killed how many in the Bible again? What did he do other then just tell Eve that she actually could eat a piece of fruit from a tree if she wanted (the fact that the forbidden fruit would allow humans to discern good from evil isn’t sketchy at all). Who’s the bad guy again?
And these are the “interesting” parts. The other 95% is just garbage.
And no, Jesus isn’t any better. Unless you’re cool with slavery I guess…
Actually, the book of Job is nearly verbatim a combination of the opening of the Canaanite A Tale of Aqhat where Anat petitions El to kill the son of Danel as the lead in to a near copy of the dialogue on suffering of the Babylonian Theodicy. With what appears a sloppy edit to make it monotheistic later on, changing Anat from being a different god to simply ‘adversary’ and spawning fanfiction for millennia.
Understanding the context helps a lot in meaningful analysis.
Without the context, yeah, a lot can go over your head and it just seem pointless.
Edit: And Noah’s ark was likely originally a famine story before being turned into an adaptation of the Babylonian flood mythos.
Edit 2: And the eating of the fruit by the first two people was probably adapted from the Phonecian creation myth around the first man and woman with the woman discovering the technology of eating fruit from the trees.
The interesting context, I appreciate. The subtle condescension, not so much… I’m well aware that Christianity was cobbled together like Frankenstein’s Monster using various parts of existing religions and pagan traditions. I assure you that these stories have not gone over my head.
You seem to think that the main issues I have with these stories are: the questions of historical veracity; or whether they were original stories. It’s really not. Sure, for stories like Noah’s Ark, where we know for certain it didn’t happen.
Or how we can say with near-certainty that Moses never parted the Red Sea, and crushed “Pharaoh’s’” army (side note: it’s funny to me how they always just call them that in the Bible. Just, “Pharaoh”. And I guess we’re supposed to pretend that we don’t know they had names and histories known to us?).
How do we know? Because their remains would be all over the bottom of the sea. Also, I’m pretty sure that Egypt, during the times when Pharaohs ruled, was known for keeping pretty good records. No historical record that the Exodus of the Jewish people from Egypt even exists. In fact, there’s no record of these Hebrew slaves, period.
Anyway, I digress…
And Noah’s ark was likely originally a famine story before being turned into an adaptation of the Babylonian flood mythos.
Throwing these claims out with zero sources or backup? Like c’mon guy (or gal, etc.) that’s quite the stretch. Let’s see the the sources.
I guess all of this was to say that I find the meanings and lessons of these stories to be downright appalling. Whether or not Job was a real bloke isn’t really the point.
No historical record that the Exodus of the Jewish people from Egypt even exists. In fact, there’s no record of these Hebrew slaves, period.
As I said in my earlier comment, this narrative was probably appropriated from the forced relocation of the sea peoples into the southern Levant. The Egyptians do have extensive records of conflict with them, who they note in that conflict were without foreskins (as opposed to the partial circumcision more common at the time), and there’s an emerging picture of Aegean cohabitation with the Israelites in the early Iron Age along with Anatolian trade with an area where the Denyen were talking about their founding leader Mopsus.
Here’s the source for the Noah’s Ark as originally a famine narrative: https://scholar.harvard.edu/dershowitz/publications/man-land-unearthing-original-noah
You’re welcome to find the material as you like, but I’m telling you that there’s a lot more value to careful analysis of it within it’s broader context than you (and many others) seem to think. Whether you find that stance condescending or not.
Why did you just focus in on that one part when I literally say that I don’t really care about that? My issue isn’t that the stories are borrowed or stolen. Read the rest of my comment maybe.
Surely there have never been any parodies of the Last Supper before this one.
(I’m partial to this one)
This is the one that always stuck in my head.
TAKE THIS PHOTO DOWN NOW, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
The guy who played Hyde is a serial rapist. He was in the running for Trumps VP.
Thanks, will keep that in mind when I watch that 70s show and suddenly get urges to copy Hyde without question.
? I understand not liking the joke but idk where that comment comes from lol
A lot of people believe that if an artists turns out to be a bad person, you should not consume their art.
Imo boycotting makes sense but any work of art should be able to be enjoyed regardless of where it came from.
That wasn’t the joke I was making though. My joke was that Trump was considering making a serial rapists his VP pick. I don’t disagree with the point you’re making I’m just confused as to why you think it’s relevant.
At first I didn’t realize it was a joke tbh. Thanks for explaining
I like how they have a painting of ol’ Ronnie Raygun on one side of the wall with Putin on the other. If only he was alive to see them now.
It was supposed to be the Last Supper?
I totally didn’t get that.
Also, I was hoping for a real drag show when I saw them, but instead I got a sort of “gender bent catwalk” thing. Boo.
It was supposed to be a representation of a bacchanal or dionisya. There are dozens of paintings of those celebrations that look sorta like the last supper, if you squint very hard and turn off your brain.
NBC’s coverage only detracted from the ceremony. They cut most of the fashion show. And the hosts did nothing to explain or put the various acts in cultural context.
For those who don’t like the queer fashion show, no one is forcing you to watch it. It’s a cultural expression of the host country. It’s like going to Gramany and hating the beer or the Netherlands and hating the tulips.
It’s like going to Gramany and hating the beer or the Netherlands and hating the tulips.
Happily, alcoholism bad and the tulip bubble was dumb.
Some people just live in anger, don’t they?
It was a joke
Guess we all missed the joke, sorry fam
Religious bigots offended, yet again
Let them cry.
I’m also pissed at the Olympics this year, mostly because I got stuck one hour on the road, but maybe I just don’t want to admit how dumb I was to not avoid Paris on my trip to the west… nah it’s them! not me!
