Is it deadnaming when you are referring to a trans person at a time when they were their assigned at birth gender and name?
Generally yes, unless stated otherwise. Basically assume that person always was that gender and had that name.
There are some edge cases with people like actors, where things like their work is footnoted with something like “credited as XYZ”. although some people are feeling even that is still bad. (I don’t have a skin in the game, this is just what I know from trans people around me)
I actually wasn’t sure so I just played it safe
Confusion.
My guess is yes but I’m not sure. The reason why I say that is Elliott’s older work is now listed as Elliot and not their old name.
Yes but Elliot page wasn’t in this movie. Ellen Page was. If he makes a movie now of course it’s Elliott page but I think it’s weird to go back in time and erase things.
Hi, trans person here. I often describe my life before beginning to transition as an act or a job I had to perform, but wasn’t really me. Anything I did in my old role was done by me, not the character.
In Elliot’s case, he was a dude playing a dudette, dressed up as another dudette. Whatever performance was happening on or off camera doesn’t ultimately change who the person actually is.
Last time I had to actually use it in conversation I said “Elliott page is in it back when he was Ellen Page”
That’s very logical and easy to understand. Personally I wouldn’t be upset if I was Elliott, but there are many trans people who have a strong aversion to hearing their old name. Again, comes down to the audience, but a lot of folks would say something like, “before he transitioned”, rather than mentioning the old name.
Hope I don’t sound too nitpicky, just wanted to say it in case it helps.
My nitpick would be less about the mention of the name and more about the wording of “when he was”. Of course different trans people will view their transition and identity differently, but I was never <deadname>. I was merely known as <deadname>
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt5978724/?lang=en
They updated everything to reflect the new name.
Name changes don’t even have to have a transgender component to be in perpetuity. Plenty of people change names due to marriage or they just hate their name. That is Elliot Page. Plenty of actors with names that don’t necessarily match their gender. If the person wasn’t trans and had changed their name to Isabella, you’d just call the person Isabella no matter when a photo of them was taken.
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