• @Worx
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    1033 months ago

    There’s nothing contradictory in what is written there.

    “The XTX is better - but you don’t deserve it, bitch”

  • @[email protected]
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    913 months ago

    I switched to duckduckgo before this bullshit, but this would 100% make me switch if I hadn’t already.

    Who wants random ai gibberish to be the first thing they see?

    • @[email protected]
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      443 months ago

      If search engines don’t improve to address the AI problem, most of the Internet will be AI gibberish.

      • @[email protected]
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        93 months ago

        The internet as we knew it is doomed to be full of ai garbage. It’s a signal to noise ratio issue. It’s also part of the reason the fediverse and smaller moderated interconnected communities are so important: it keeps users more honest by making moderators more common and, if you want to, you can strictly moderate against AI generated content.

      • @leftzero
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        23 months ago

        The good thing about that is that this kills the LLMs, since new models can only be trained on this LLM generated gibberish, which makes the gibberish they’ll generate even more garbled and useless, and so on, until every model you try to train can only produce random useless unintelligible garbage.

    • zewm
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      243 months ago

      DuckDuckGo started showing AI results for me.

      I think it uses the bing engine iirc.

      • @[email protected]
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        And you can use multiple models, which I find handy.

        There is some stuff that AI, or rather LLM search, is useful for, at least the time being.

        Sometimes you need some information that would require clicking through a lot of sources just to find one that has what you need. With DDG, I can ask the question to their four models*, using four different Firefox containers, copy and paste.

        See how their answers align, and then identify keywords from their responses that help me craft a precise search query to identify the obscure primary source I need.

        This is especially useful when you don’t know the subject that you’re searching about very well.

        *ChatGPT, Claude, Llama, and Mixtral are the available models. Relatively recent versions, but you’ll have to check for yourself which ones.

    • @[email protected]
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      33 months ago

      Better than an Ad I guess? Not sure if my searches haven’t returned any AI stuff like this or if my brain is already ignoring them like ads.

      • @[email protected]
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        33 months ago

        The plan is to monetize the AI results with ads.

        I’m not even sure how that works, but I don’t like it.

  • @[email protected]
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    593 months ago

    Sounds like the advice you’d get in the first three comments asking a question on Reddit.

  • @[email protected]
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    363 months ago

    Here is what kagi delivers with the same prompt:

    NB: quick answer is only generated when ending your search with a question mark

    • db0
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      533 months ago

      Problem is, you cannot trust it’s not hallucinating these stats

      • @[email protected]
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        233 months ago

        And even if it’s showing the correct number, you can’t be sure how trustworthy the source is.

        • @[email protected]
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          73 months ago

          This applies to any information though, it’s got nothing to do with LLMs specifically.

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            Not really, no. Sources of infornation gain a reputation as time goes on. So, even though you should still check with multiple sources, you can sort of know if a certain bit of information is likely to be correct or not.

            On the other hand, LLM’s will quote different sources and sometimes it will only provide them if you ask it to. Even then it can hallucinate and quote a source that doesn’t actually exist, so there’s that as well.

      • @[email protected]
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        At least it’s citing sources and you can check to make sure. And from my anecdotal evidence it has been pretty good so far. It also told me on some occasions that the queried information was not found in it’s sources instead of just making something up. But it’s not perfect for sure, it’s always better to do manual research but for a first impression and to find some entry points I’ve found it useful so far

        • db0
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          163 months ago

          The problem is that you need to check those sources today make sure it’s not just making up bullshit and at that point you didn’t gain anything from the genai

          • @[email protected]
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            43 months ago

            As I said the links provide some entry points for further research. It’s providing some use to me because I don’t need to check every search result. But to each their own and I understand the general scepticism of generative “AI”

            • db0
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              If you don’t check everyone source. It might be just bullshitting you. There’s people who followed your approach and got into hot shit with their bosses and judges

              • @[email protected]
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                73 months ago

                There is absolutely value in something compiling sources for you to personally review. Anyone who cannot use AI efficiently is analogous to someone who can’t see the utility in a graphing calculator. It’s not magic, it’s a tool. And tools need to be used precisely, and for appropriate purposes.

                My plumber fucks up I don’t blame his wrench. My lawyers don’t vet their case work, I blame them.

                • @leftzero
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                  23 months ago

                  It’s an LLM. Odds are it’s hallucinating the sources and they don’t even exist.

                  Know what does compile sources for you which are guaranteed to exist and be related to what you’re looking for…? A good old not LLM infected search engine.

                  If my plumber replaces their wrench for a rabid gerbil claiming it’ll be just as good I’m definitely changing plumbers.

        • @[email protected]
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          13 months ago

          When I query an AI I always end with “provide sources and bibliography for your reply”. That seems to get better replies.

  • originalucifer
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    its not completely useless… i only asked copilot one thing and it worked; ‘how do i remove or completely disable copilot’

    • @[email protected]
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      43 months ago

      The search engine LLMs suck. I’m guessing they use very small models to save compute. ChatGPT 4o and Claude 3.5 are much better.

    • @[email protected]
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      33 months ago

      And good luck typing that in if you don’t know the alphabet it’s written in and can’t copy/paste it.

  • FireWire400
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    193 months ago

    7900 XTX; more powerful, therefore better.

    7900 XT; cheaper, therefore better.

  • Lvxferre
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    183 months ago

    It goes without saying that this shit doesn’t really understand what’s outputting; it’s picking words together and parsing a grammatically coherent whole, with barely any regard to semantics (meaning).

    It should not be trying to provide you info directly, it should be showing you where to find it. For example, linking this or this*.

    To add injury in this case it isn’t even providing you info, it’s bossing you around. Typical Microsoft “don’t inform a user, tell it [yes, “it”] what it should be doing” mindset. Specially bad in this case because cost vs. benefit varies a fair bit depending on where you are, often there’s no single “right” answer.

    *OP, check those two links, they might be useful for you.

    • AFK BRB Chocolate
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      63 months ago

      LLMs don’t “understand” anything, and it’s unfortunate that we’ve taken to using language related to human thinking to talk about software. It’s all data processing and models.

      • Lvxferre
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        53 months ago

        Yup, 100% this. And there’s a crowd of muppets arguing “ackshyually wut u’re definishun of unrurrstandin/intellijanse?” or “but hyumans do…”, but come on - that’s bullshit, and more often than not sealioning.

        Don’t get me wrong - model-based data processing is still useful in quite a few situations. But they’re only a fraction of what big tech pretends that LLMs are useful for.

        • AFK BRB Chocolate
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          43 months ago

          Yeah, I’m far from anti-AI, but we’re just not anywhere close to where people think we are with it. And I’m pretty sick of corporate leadership saying “We need to make more use of AI” without knowing the difference between an LLM and a machine learning application, or having any idea *how" their company could make use of one of the technologies.

          It really feels like one of those hammer in search of a nail things.

  • NekuSoul
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    153 months ago

    At the very least it failed in a way that’s obvious by giving you contradictory statements. If it left you with only the wrong statements, that’s when “AI” becomes really insidiuos.

  • Neo
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    143 months ago

    I checked it, it’s true. Side note: it’s “the saté of AI.” FTFY. From what I’ve heard it’s even better than 🍿to sit back and watch this farce unfold.

  • @[email protected]
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    93 months ago

    SearXNG only returns results search engines agree on. That removes ads and this bullshit