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This is the moment we can lose our republic. Nuts that it could be to MAGA morons.
And nothing of value would be lost. In it’s ashes we could get an actual democracy built for the people, by the people.
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At least you can count on Canada to send help to the more dire areas to stop the worst of the civilian impact. You’re not alone in the world.
love you, friend… but I am not sure thats gonna hold when we start pointing loose nukes at everyone. the fall will not be easy.
Or something worse. Don’t assume that what you prefer would be built up as a replacement.
It also completely ignores the millions of people that are going to be victimized, even if we rebuild a perfect society from the ashes (highly unlikely). I will never understand accelerationsts. They completely ignore some of the most basic values that progressives should have.
In the ashes of what? The victims of fascism?
If fascists win, what / who do you think those ashes will be made of?
The same thing they were made of last time fascists and those they tried to target before libs finally had enough.
Buddy…they would be in control of the largest military in human history. The most powerful economy and politically charged nation ever to have existed. All of the world would have to work against us. Including China and Russia.
If fascism wins, that will be your 1000 years of darkness.
If you think fascism can maintain any of that, you need a history lesson.
Okay.
I’m pretty sure he feared a Tyrant smarter than Trump, but if we fail with Trump as the litmus test . . . well. Better luck next democracy I guess?
When was the US ever a democracy?
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American’s don’t believe these things to be truth. Just like how native Americans have been whitewashed in certain places to make it seem as though the creation of this country was not the absolute most brutal and disgusting genocide against the natives.
Hitler actually praised Amerikkka for what it did to natives and black people under chattel slavery.
But noooooooooooooooooo. You bring that shit up to a patriot? You might as well go fuck yourself.
Americans will N E V E R accept the fact that E V E R Y T H I N G the know as comfort, I built off of slavery and exploitation.
But honestly, I don’t think they give a fuck. I hear so frequently, people that I thought were good, say: “that person deserves to be r**ed in prison for stealing”
Amerikkka is a disgusting, disgusting country.
That seems unlikely, since the constitution doesn’t really include safeguards against someone like Trump.
The founding fathers were afraid of a King (at least some of them were). They put all kinds of limits on the power of the executive but they assumed people would follow those rules. They never really considered the possibility of a private citizens gaining so much power that they can ignore government.
Wasn’t the electoral college and impeachment bits supposed to be safeguard from people like Trump? I’m actually curious because I’m not American but so many things I’ve read said those were supposed to help that sort of thing. Not that it’s helped.
I thought another big thing they didn’t count on was so many members of Congress following that sort person.
Also yes I agree they didn’t think of the possibility of someone being able to ignore laws because that’d be absurd not to put someone on trial speedily regardless of the position they held.
There’s quite a lot of disagreements between historians on why there’s an electoral college https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/k5hv2m/what_was_the_founders_purpose_in_creating_the/
We have a lot of laws that protect people from government. The complement to such a policy is that we reduce the amount of protection government has from people.
If you assume that your government is bad or that it will inevitably become bad then this is a great policy to reduce bad government. The flip side is that if we expect government to protect us from individual bad citizens who have gained a lot of power it’s harder.
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Yes and no
The system was always supposed to protect those in power from those without. The system is designed so that the masses have extremely limited power to remove people like trump if the people with money want him there.
Needs an unpaywalled link.
Anyone can do it, copy and paste the link to the archive.
You’d be doing yourself and a lot of other people a favor.
You could have been the one doing a favor, instead you were a scold.
Give a man a fish
Not everyone can do it. The archive sites sometimes present captchas that don’t load for users with hardened web browsers
And our electorate is in part why the electoral college exists and why the founders thought we shouldn’t have a direct vote: we’re too fucking stupid and too easily swayed by a populist. Too bad the actual electors won’t do what they’re allowed to do and not vote for Trump even if the people do.
At the time the electoral college was instituted, only white land owning men could vote, the majority of the population was illiterate, and only the very rich could afford to be well-versed in the affairs of state.
To compare that horse and buggy time with today’s world with near-complete literacy, mass media and widespread internet access is even more moronic than you are pretending that the electorate is.
The problem isn’t that Americans are significantly dumber than the people of other nations.
It’s that the US is one of the most propagandized nations in the world due to billionaires, hectomillionaires, their corporations, and their industry associations owning the mainstream media and the vast majority of the politicians as well as the political machines pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Revered as minor deities as they are, the Founding Fathers couldn’t have predicted the conditions 250 years into the future. Including the fact that the very mechanism they included to make sure that the constitution would be updated to fit the times, the amendment process, would become functionally impossible.
Tl;Dr: the problem isn’t people being too stupid, the problem is that the will of the people has been overruled by organized corruption and propaganda.
isnt what we are currently experiencing an unhealthy reaction to the that same propagandized society? hard to pump shit into peoples heads for decades and not get some sort of sociopathic, immune-like response. many of our fellow citizens really do want to see it all burn right now. everything has been calcified and these people are lashing out in, what I think is, the worst possible way.
in many respects the very thinking processes of our society have been perverted in service to the whims of the richest. I consider this a bit of a dumbing down of our civic intelligence, but… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
While I absolutely understand propaganda is the issue (my comment history is chock full of “I fucking hate propagandists”) we’re all subject to the same information that others can’t seem to see through. That someone like MTG can stay in government isn’t completely the fault of propaganda, you have to be stupid enough to not see how absolutely stupid and hateful people like her are and choose to vote for them again and again.
Nobody fears a whiny little bitch like trump, no matter the damage republicans can do with him as their excuse.
If Trump wins, he will have finished what he is paid to do; he will step down and hand the presidency to Vance, the wannabe theocrat.
MAGA is a death cult. Arm yourselves against Trump’s sycophants now.
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For George, the Revolution was a business decision to maximize profits. However, he did sign the US Constitution which is what every American should defend and it is the same document the MAGATs would like to destroy.
The tree of liberty is looking thirsty.
